Role Call I (Game Over)

[popsofctown]

So, Cheeky targets the BP, and Tracker verifies she did target the BP. BP says they didn't get the message and we lynch one of the BP or CT. They flip Town and we lynch the other one and they also flip Town. What next? Oh! We TOLD THE SCUM BEFOREHAND to ROLESTOP THE BP, so they won't get the FN message.

The tracker would be told that Cheeky did not visit anyone. Rolestopping makes the action not even happen. Somehow when CheekyTeeky tries to leave her house, someone asks where she's going, and if she says the name of the rolestopped players, she is dragged upstairs in chaaaaaaiiiiiiins and visits nobody. That's mechanically how rolestopping works.
Anyway pisskops summary is the best, she needs to quasirandomly get the shot off on a town-aligned player and it's not worth an entire PR shot to support that process.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why townaligned? I'd rather use it as a check.

[popsofctown]

If you hit scum you're putting the ball in their court on what play to make. They can say "Yeah I got the message, she's IC" and just shoot you later, or they can do something better than that, up to them. If you hit a townie they say "I got the message she's IC" every single time. I guess the vast majority of the time the scum will just say you're IC.

If you aim it at a scummy player I guess they are unlikely to get NKed so there's that.

A scummy player who is likely to get scum-aligned is very likely to be rolestopped though, so there's that.
I guess that's a check in and of itself, it's suspicious for any player to be a rolestop target on a Tracker/psychologist night.

God this setup is complicated.

[CheekyTeeky]

Well no because I'm told if my action fails...

[popsofctown]

Well no because I'm told if my action fails...

No, not by standard modding practices. There is no text in CFJ's Friendly Neighbor that suggests a special ability to detect that you've been rolestopped.
This is in the wiki regarding roleblocker:
"The blocked player will not normally be told that they have been blocked (unless they used an investigative role and thus were expecting a results PM, in which case the moderator will let them know that their action failed)."
It's not an investigative role.

[popsofctown]

I guess you might have some modtext in the "you've been invented" PM that suggests otherwise but if he did more than copy/paste it from the D1 start post it'd be questionable modding practice.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok, well if my action fails then we know scum have a block and it wouldn't matter if I target town or not. I think if scum do have a block someone tmi'd somewhere.
Tracker should go fish in scum so scum have more than 1 target.

Apthet still hasn't explained why he ousted me.

[popsofctown]

Cheeky it is part of the setup that scum is guaranteed to have a factional rolestop. It's in the rules for the setup.

It's a rolestop, not a roleblock, whether the action is prevented depends on the target, rather than the user. So it's important that you use your friendly neighbor unpredictably.

Apthet is a girl and she explained her reasoning for outing you already, I'm not sure what kind of elaboration you're anticipating.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok that makes sense. Where was the reasoning?

[Bingle]

We TOLD THE SCUM BEFOREHAND to ROLESTOP THE BP, so they won't get the FN message.

And the inventor and stronger investigation than FN are free to act, as well as the tracker being told that CT didn't go nowhere.

But yeah, in hindsight the tradeoff probably isn't worth it, because tracker is > FN. It was a tangent thought that I brought up without realizing it would create this much noise, and we should definitely just move on.

Who would you lynch/stump?

[Bingle]

@cheeky

This is a good point, but... I think I'm going to leave the claim there. I think it's efficient for town energy to move on from discussing her as a Quitter target now. Seems like there's a decent chance of that getting proposed, which would probably lead to me claiming anyway. And if scum wants to use the nightkill on someone that no one felt confident in, I'm quite okay with that. (Feel free to yell at me if this is bad. )

[popsofctown]

I don't think think apthet should claim btw. She probably gifted friendly neighbor and we don't want scum to know what slot is going to develop into a shootable IC slot.

This is a good point, but... I think I'm going to leave the claim there. I think it's efficient for town energy to move on from discussing her as a Quitter target now. Seems like there's a decent chance of that getting proposed, which would probably lead to me claiming anyway. And if scum wants to use the nightkill on someone that no one felt confident in, I'm quite okay with that. (Feel free to yell at me if this is bad. )

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[Bingle]

suck it, pops, i beat you to it.

[Bingle]

aight, going to bed now.

[CheekyTeeky]

Okie dokie wish there was a watcher.

[Gamma Emerald]

I just realized we can hard confirm CT if we want by using the tracker.

Not sure that it's worth invalidating the tracker though.

Rolestop though

Yeah, and if they rolestop CT to stop the tracker the FN has to go through.

My only concern is that if CT targets a townread, they're likely to die. If CT targets antitown, they can false dichotomy or claim rolestop.

I think the risk of leaving it unleashed is > the reward here though, because tracker investigation has a chance of netting scum where FN doesn't.

@MOD if an action is nullified by the mafia factional role stop does it still appear on tracker results targeting the person acting?

[Gamma Emerald]

If scum shoot me then we waste both my shot and the tracker which is el terrible.

You can be given BP

[callforjudgement]

@MOD if an action is nullified by the mafia factional role stop does it still appear on tracker results targeting the person acting?

Huh, I was planning to go by the Normal ruling but apparently there isn't one.

I'll rule it works the same way as the target being Ascetic: the action fails but can still be tracked.

[Gamma Emerald]

So, Cheeky targets the BP, and Tracker verifies she did target the BP. BP says they didn't get the message and we lynch one of the BP or CT. They flip Town and we lynch the other one and they also flip Town. What next? Oh! We TOLD THE SCUM BEFOREHAND to ROLESTOP THE BP, so they won't get the FN message.

The tracker would be told that Cheeky did not visit anyone. Rolestopping makes the action not even happen. Somehow when CheekyTeeky tries to leave her house, someone asks where she's going, and if she says the name of the rolestopped players, she is dragged upstairs in chaaaaaaiiiiiiins and visits nobody. That's mechanically how rolestopping works.
Anyway pisskops summary is the best, she needs to quasirandomly get the shot off on a town-aligned player and it's not worth an entire PR shot to support that process.

That makes this incorrect

[Hidden Happiness]

Neat that's not how I'd expect Ascetic to work either. Now I'm picturing wandering around outside in chains leaving bystanders very confused..

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why do you think I’m scum HH?

[Gamma Emerald]

Fyi Ascetic is a hermit so like you can't target them most of the time because like you can't fucking find them

[callforjudgement]

Game status

There have been no proposals yet today.

List of roles to distribute

Proposal available

(11): momo, popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert, AP, pisskop, Bingle, apthet, Dunnstral, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald, Creature

Proposal unavailable

(1): Hidden Happiness

To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 7 players vote for it.
Deadline is currently 06:00 UTC on Friday 2 August (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-08-02 06:00:00)

). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Unofficial vote count

Creature

(1): popsofctown

These votes don't do anything, but I'm counting them anyway.

[AP]

Who would you lynch/stump?

This is where I'm at:

Night 2 Bulletproof: Bingle
Captain: CheekyTeeky
Chronomage: Lil Uzi Vert
Doublevoter: Creature
Neighbour: Gamma Emerald
Day 3 Post Restricted: Hidden Happiness
Psychologist: apthet
Revisor: AP
Night 3 Compulsive Role Caller: Dunn
Even-Night Tracker: pisskop
Treestump: momo
Compulsive Quitter: popsofctown

Bingle must survive the night or scum will have the upper hand. Period.
Cheeky as Captain will be forced to explain her choices.
Lil Uzi Vert as Chronomage can secide on someone (not Bingle) to be a delayed flip. I don't even expect him to target the NK.
Creature as Doublevoter is.. *Shrug* just don't give him a night action. But I think he's town still, and the double voter isn't even that strong a role.
Gamma Emerald joining the neighborhood with PK is swell. They can share results, especially if PK is given the Tracker.
Hidden Happiness is Day 3 Post Restricted because that way they don't need to worry about the mechanics they hate so much. It's a game with heavy mechanics though.
apthet as Psychologist: I don't see why not. She's already given out her most imporatnt invention, and it's a weak Cop anyway.
AP as Revisor. This is a STRONG role to gove myself, I know. If I do use it.. LYNCH ME.
Dunn is Night 3 Compulsive Role Caller because I TR the slot AND he spoecifically asked for it.
pisskop as Even-Night Tracker. Check the Gamma as Neighbor reasoning for this one.
momo as Treestump = guaranteed scum flip. Since the mod even confirmed the flip will be public this is the most likely scum in the game. We can then ignore him for the rest of the game.
popsofctown gets Compulsive Quitter to deny her Neighborhood access. This is mainly why she is lynched over momo here.

There's little room for me to negotiate here (but "some" room still exists) as long as we give BP to Bingle and lynch in Pops/momo.

[popsofctown]

So, Cheeky targets the BP, and Tracker verifies she did target the BP. BP says they didn't get the message and we lynch one of the BP or CT. They flip Town and we lynch the other one and they also flip Town. What next? Oh! We TOLD THE SCUM BEFOREHAND to ROLESTOP THE BP, so they won't get the FN message.

The tracker would be told that Cheeky did not visit anyone. Rolestopping makes the action not even happen. Somehow when CheekyTeeky tries to leave her house, someone asks where she's going, and if she says the name of the rolestopped players, she is dragged upstairs in chaaaaaaiiiiiiins and visits nobody. That's mechanically how rolestopping works.
Anyway pisskops summary is the best, she needs to quasirandomly get the shot off on a town-aligned player and it's not worth an entire PR shot to support that process.

That makes this incorrect

Yeah it does.
I have _opinions_ about this but this ruling benefits my wincon so I'll be quiet