Role Call I (Game Over)

[Bingle]

Aight. I'll wait until you have time to case it.

[popsofctown]

Thanks you I'm gonna play puzzles and dragons on the way to this silly pre-pre-wedding party

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My question wasn’t directed at just you Maria. It’s honestly news to me that you’ve believed I’m scum since Day 1. I know you took issue with my scum read of the RC slot but it never felt like anything serious.

I’m still not sure what exactly is the case on me. I believed stumping a town read was better than trying to lynch scum mainly because of Vecna being the night killed, the bad feeling I got after the Iconeum flip, and because I don’t think we are actually going to lynch scum any time soon. If you believe that I knew stumping the King would effectively skip Day 3, why would I out this instead of just subtly trying to influence town to give BP to someone else?

As for the BP, I honestly thought it was full. I didn’t give it to Dunn because I never actually scum read Nero, just didn’t get town vibes from him. He was also given the innocent child role. I didn’t find any of the Day 1 roles strong enough to justify giving a town read the BP. We aren’t in a position where a strong town member surviving through the night wins us the game either. A named Night 2 BP just honestly feels a bit underwhelming for town if it’s not given to Jingle.

As for my interactions with Iconeum about helping him with a Day 1 proposal, lynching me is only going to just prove that the simplest answer was the most likely here. Not everyone is interested in mechanics or care enough about it and as a result get overwhelmed and seek help. None of that is AI.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The reality is that there are three slots in favor of my lynch that don’t have any legit reasons to be in favor it.

Cheeky, Creature, and HH.

[callforjudgement]

Game status

Current proposal

(by AP):

• Night 2 Bulletproof
  : apthet
  
• Captain
  : AP
  
• Chronomage
  : Hidden Happiness
  
• Doublevoter
  : Bingle
  
• Neighbour
  : Gamma Emerald
  
• Day 3 Post Restricted
  : momo
  
• Psychologist
  : popsofctown
  
• Revisor
  : CheekyTeeky
  
• Night 3 Compulsive Role Caller
  : Dunnstral
  
• Even-Night Tracker
  : pisskop
  
• Treestump
  : Creature
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  : Lil Uzi Vert

For

(3): AP, Hidden Happiness, CheekyTeeky

Against

(1): popsofctown

Not voting

(8): momo, Lil Uzi Vert, pisskop, Bingle, apthet, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Creature

List of roles to distribute

Proposal available

(10): momo, popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert, pisskop, Bingle, apthet, Dunnstral, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald, Creature

Proposal unavailable

(2): Hidden Happiness, AP

To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 7 players vote for it.
Deadline is currently 06:00 UTC on Monday 5 August (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-08-05 06:00:00)

). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Unofficial vote count

Creature

(1): popsofctown

These votes don't do anything, but I'm counting them anyway.

[Bingle]

Who would you lynch, LUV?

[AP]

Can you see from where I'm sitting how it could look like you're trying to pocket two players with this, and I know you don't even TR at least one of them

Generally speaking (i.e. w.o. reverting to my personal meta) I can see that. The question(s) are:

1- Is this a good proposal to your liking regardless of who submitted it?
2- So you even think it has a considerable chance to pass, with it being the first proposal of the day?

I'm assuming your answer to #1 is no (based on the fact you voted against, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).
Now if your answer to #2 is also no, I don't see a problem for you. If the answer is yes, then why don't you campaign against it?

[Gamma Emerald]

Not sure what I'll do as a treestump, but whatever.

Atleast I get to post reads through the whole game.

Not sure what I'll do as a treestump, but whatever.

Atleast I get to post reads through the whole game.

Not sure what I'll do as a treestump, but whatever.

Atleast I get to post reads through the whole game.

Not sure what I'll do as a treestump, but whatever.

Atleast I get to post reads through the whole game.

Why did you spam this

[AP]

Huh, I was planning to go by the Normal ruling but apparently there isn't one.

Uh... yeah there is.

From the tracker wiki page: “If a Tracker is somehow blocked from their action (by Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, Rolestopper, Ascetic, or Commuter), they should receive a "No Result" pm, rather than a "did not see anything" pm.”

That's if the Tracker targeted the "Rolestopped" player directly.

However, the case in hand is Tracker is tracking someone who is in turn targeting the Rolestopped. The Rolestopped is effectively Ascetic (Rolestopper wiki page) and thus anyone targeting them would still be seen as doing so (Ascetic wiki page)

[AP]

Hmmm.. if Oversoul was scum he sure did an awesome job setting you up as the towniest slot of all, and I really wouldn't mind losing to him/you in that case.

[Gamma Emerald]

Huh, I was planning to go by the Normal ruling but apparently there isn't one.

Uh... yeah there is.

From the tracker wiki page: “If a Tracker is somehow blocked from their action (by Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, Rolestopper, Ascetic, or Commuter), they should receive a "No Result" pm, rather than a "did not see anything" pm.”

TBC, if you’re resolving it differently I have no issue with that, but it is a deviation from normal guidelines.

Oh shit, nvm I’m being dumb.

Wrong account bro

[Creature]

Not sure what I'll do as a treestump, but whatever.

Atleast I get to post reads through the whole game.

Not sure what I'll do as a treestump, but whatever.

Atleast I get to post reads through the whole game.

Not sure what I'll do as a treestump, but whatever.

Atleast I get to post reads through the whole game.

Not sure what I'll do as a treestump, but whatever.

Atleast I get to post reads through the whole game.

Why did you spam this

It was an accident.

[AP]

Sure. You can have paperback writer, no one noms shit for that anyway because players don't ever read the flavor.

Yeah, but most would taste it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not sure what I'll do as a treestump, but whatever.

Atleast I get to post reads through the whole game.

Not sure what I'll do as a treestump, but whatever.

Atleast I get to post reads through the whole game.

Not sure what I'll do as a treestump, but whatever.

Atleast I get to post reads through the whole game.

Not sure what I'll do as a treestump, but whatever.

Atleast I get to post reads through the whole game.

Why did you spam this

It was an accident.

Anyway why do you not fight being stumped? I would think you'd hate it

[popsofctown]

I'm gonna "campaign" against it when I get to a PC and explain the assoc thing

[pisskop]

not

quite

sold on a luv lynch or critter stump

[AP]

Like, I'm not even going to do a re-re-read of the game, but if someone would like to inspect the possibility of Jingle+Cheeky+HH for a scum team I won't stop them.

If that's the case then I saved CT and I hard TR'd Oversoul so I don't mind being Treestumped if the current proposal is downed.

[AP]

I'm gonna "campaign" against it when I get to a PC and explain the assoc thing

Good! I'll give you a head start then.

VOTE: Against

[popsofctown]

My guts says Cheeky should get the IC role.

My guts says Cheeky should get the IC role.

Why?

Scum are gonna try to make quick work of whoever they feel they can push easily, and I don’t think we have the luxury to wait around for someone to be confirmed town in a game like this. I think giving it someone who is unlikely to be lynched or night killed is much more optimal. It could force scum to kill a potential endgame option earlier then they would like to.

I don’t see you as lynch bait and I don’t see you as a high priority night kill. What I can see however is a world in which scum may leave you alive because you’ve been pocketed or just pose no threat to them. You’re pretty solid as town though and I think scum don’t want to deal with a Cheeky that’s going to be taken out of the lynch pool late game.

This is the second iteration. I made minor changes overall. I still haven't changed the stronger roles though.

Timid = Hidden Happiness (Shadoweh/MariaR hydra)
Vanilla = Iconeum
Inventor = popsofctown
Day 5 Innocent Child = Oversoul
Miller = apthet
Neighbour = Nero Cain
1-shot Gladiator = momo
Day 3 King = Vecna
Night 1 Universal Backup = CheekyTeeky
Neighbour = Almost50
Odd-Night Motion Detector = Gamma Emerald
Macho = Lil Uzi Vert
Inactive = Saudade
Compulsive Quitter = Sothis Stefon Styx (RadiantCowbells/Baezu hydra)

Timid = Lil Uzi Vert?
Vanilla = Oversoul
Inventor = ?
Day 5 Innocent Child = CheekyTeeky
Miller = Momo
Neighbour = ?
1-shot Gladiator = popsofctown
Day 3 King = ?
Night 1 Universal Backup = Hidden Happiness
Neighbour = Vecna
Odd-Night Motion Detector = apthet
Macho = Gamma Emerald
Inactive = Saudade
Compulsive Quitter = Sothis Stefon Styx

This is what I have so far.

Cheeky might be scum here.

Why aren’t we lynching scum yet?

Who's the scum then, Uzi?

If we are getting cold feet on Titus, I can compromise on Cheeky.

@Offical Proposal:

1-Shot Gladiator: Almost50
Inactive: Saudade
Day 5 Innocent Child: Oversoul
Inventor: popsofctown
Day 3 King: Apthet
Macho: Gamma Emerald
Miller: Momo
Odd-Night Motion Detector: Lil Uzi Vert
Neighbor: Titus
Neighbor: Vecna
Vanilla: Iconeum
Timid: Hidden Happiness
N1 Universal Backup: Nero Cain
Compulsive Quitter: CheekyTeeky

He posited CheekyTeeky D5 IC frequently early in the game, and the justification he gave for it doesn't really seem to generate towncred and seems pretty authentic. Giving a teammate D5 IC is a Bad Thing. Some of LUV's mechanical comments this game have been so offbase that I almost want to consider it bad!scum!LilUziVert but I think he'd manage to figure out that this cops his scumpartner on day 5. It seems really plausible that people might just say "hey yeah CheekyTeeky's meta fits D5 IC plenty" and that everyone slots her in that way in all the proposals for the rest of the game and it'd be a really strange move before the rest of the game developed.

Then his only proposal actually lynches CT. At this point in the game state it seems really possible to continue pushing for Titus, or to lynch someone else entirely, and this proposal seemed to have a very real chance of passing.

It seems very unlikely these 2 can be paired and there's a lot of benefit to "pigeonholing" their lynch pending Friendly Neighbor results. There are 2 other mafia we can go for, even if LUV is, say, double rand odds of being scum. scum!LUV doesn't do anything with the additional night, the conversation would maybe be different if he was an inventor or something, but he's not, it's optimal to resequence lynches here.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why are you so obsessed with me? Go tunnel someone else with your tinfoil theories.

[Creature]

Anyway why do you not fight being stumped? I would think you'd hate it

I think I'll get to be a town leader or something.

[Creature]

However, on the other side, my games as publicly confirmed town have been atrocious.

[popsofctown]

Why are you so obsessed with me? Go tunnel someone else with your tinfoil theories.

CheekyTeeky would you say I am one of your favorite mafia players, or would you say I am one of your

most

favorite mafia players?

[Creature]

Why are you so obsessed with me?

[Gamma Emerald]

However, on the other side, my games as publicly confirmed town have been atrocious.

Yeah this is why I expected more objection out of you
But I guess those times you were auto revealed IC