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[eth0s]

Okay wheme. what do you think of this post then?

Why I am voting Cyrus, and why we should lynch him today.

1. Flip-flopping and nonsensical statements

Spoiler:

VOTE: Cyan Talon tell me if i do better this time

this is low relevance but I still potentially see this as a taunt. My reasoning is further amplified after Cyan said this

So we should probably find something to spark discussion with.

Starting with, I'd like to actually express some doubts about Cyrus here. While I appreciate that he's towning up, the town game he previously mentioned shows him being all over the place with his words and actions. Oddly, I find him more organized in this game than in that one, and it's pinging a few alarms.

I'm not keen on voting him for just this, since it could also be a result of him improving and not being fed information by a partner, but I really don't know how someone suddenly goes from newbie spewer to town leader level in the interval of, like, 1 game.

This is probably the weakest of things to suspect someone from, but let's talk about Cyrus if it helps.

It seems cyrus genuinely does want feedback from Cyan, and when I first saw Cyan's flip I was like "oh, the taunt post I made about cyrus could be relevant here since he called out change in Cyrus' meta", but then it turns out Cyan basically screamed I'M A DOCTOR in 2 of his posts so this is probably not worth much as Cyan was destined to die after he claimed.

so basically what you're saying is that it's impossible to meta read you at this time

It is and it isn't. If you look at his game there, you actually get a peek at how he operates, which I'd say is along the lines of 'moderately unreasonable'.

He might be aware of his meta, he might also be a pretty weird player overall. Right now, I'm leaning on Cyrus being town as a carry-over from said game; there's just the idea that he's being too scummy to be scum that I had in said game, and honestly I'm feeling it here.

If anything is nagging me now, it's the moment he took charge of the town early (current) game before reverting back to his old self.

Notice that last line there. Somewhere between 382 and 762 cyan claims that the leadership part of Cyrus' play has started to disappear. Robb stopped regularly posting at 416 and replaced out entirely at 612. This is more circumstancial evidence that suggests maybe he was getting some advice from Robb in their PT. Is it a coincidence that 416 was rob's last game related post and in 438 cyrus mentions his V/LA? Robb stated that he was going on V/LA in the main thread and continued to stay active, but shortly after he stopped being active, Cyrus is speaking for him?

76 and 82 show cyrus being very attentive to rob's votecount, and perhaps overly cautious about it. 89 looks like cyrus playing mindgames. Pointing out something irrelevant to make someone else look towny while sort of hinting at being glad that rob is no longer L-1. 213 he is once again defending rob. Then once Cyrus made his post saying Rob is vla (which felt very awkward given his ISO, he starts kind of accusing robb in 474 and 476?

I'm wholly convinced Sera wants to have me at L-1 and not have me at L-1 at the same time. That's not how mafia works.

Which is why I outright voted you and put you at L-1. The math checks out.

Are you going to actually respond to my explanation for why your responses are flawed at best or...?

Also @cyrus- You didn't care about it being L-1 when Phoenix voted Robb back in early Day 1, you were happy to contemplate running my slot into the ground based off a post that you didn't even think was scummy because it was dragging out the day, why is Temp being at L-1 such a big deal for you?

Also I expect you to actually dig into these Red and Robb and Phone suspicions now.

i stated that rob was at l1 and he unvoted so i didnt have to do anything and i didnt vote him now did i

weird.

Then in his next posts (there are so many of them I am tired of linking them all, just look at his ISO) is when he starts kinda defending TemporalLich and agreeing that Spangled and Sera are rolefishing. Now, To me it didn't look like rolefishing at all. Temporal was playing scummy as fuck, and for some reason Cyrus wants to defend him. Which is why Temporal is my 2nd most likely scumpartner for Cyrus.Even if Temporal isn't scum, Cyrus could just be using the opportunity to pocket Temporal and look like he is preventing rolefishing to get towncred. Cyrus probably expected Temporal to get lynched at this point and either knew he would flip town and get towncred, or they are scumpartners and knew he wouldnt have to vote because TL told him he would claim a pr in their private thread.

Someone being wrong on a lynch doesn't mean you should lynch them the next day, cyrus. That's just bad tactics.
And we should get Temporal to roleclaim. If he claims PR, and someone CCs, then we lynch one of them and either way we catch scum (because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing).
One scum for one PR is actually not that bad. I don't know what the maths is on that, but I don't think it's bad.

I hope this isn't deliberate rolefishing...

I'm not rolefishing, Temporal, I'm convincing cyrus that a PR outing themselves and one scum doing the same isn't a bad trade.
In the worst case scenario, it is C1, and Temporal is a town PR and claims, and scum CC. We lynch Temporal, someone takes the NK, and then we lynch the scum the next day, and someone takes the next NK.
That leaves us at D3 with 1 scum and 4 town, and lots of associative reads. That isn't even MyLo.

do you see the rows if temp is cop we may just have 6 vt and then we lose are only pr

are you realy willing to get are only pr killed.

idk if this is actually sus or not but it feels like it to me after building this case on Cyrus.

i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

misrepping and opportunism.

note i havent voted yet so yes you two got 2 points for that play and i wont vote till some one has 10 points

lol

ask your self this if i was scum why would i be pisst off about pr being found on day 1?

fixed

LAMIST and WIFOM

They pushed for the claim because they had suspicions and wanted them confirmed. If a person behaving weirdly is trying to allude that they are PR or is unintentionally doing so, asking them to confirm it actually makes it a little more helpful, since scum are much better at catching such softs than town, and claiming allows the town to

then lets hope theres a doc right other wise all this did was get a pr killed

lucky doctor guess? Probably irrelevant.

VOTE: Sera Masumi because i scum read the way they ran temp to l1 forced a soft and then a hard clam and when they faild to lynch a pr they aim at 3 other towns so i think they are just testing the waters to see who the easiest lynch is.

from 2 points to 10 points really quick eh?

scum lurk and prod doge so they don't get seen as much as town and so ofc i thought connar and phone were scum and he also rvs voted him self and then replaced out he also fake cc a cop role yet you don't aim at phone but instead aims at temp then my self then cyan and then red your not helping town at all .

clearly he equates lurking with being scum, and has made it a point to remind us multiple times how much he posts. LAMIST?

Also I really don't think arguing with Temp is going to get the town anywhere and just clutter up the thread- I'm going to break from the thread for a while unless anyone has any questions or cases against me; I'm happy to engage with either.

show us your case why your town then defend your self cuse i can case you as scum if you perfer

Lemme threaten to case you as a scum after I already voted for you? this goes back to one of my first major criticisms of cyrus on my catchup posts:

i wanted to get you to realize ev ery thing i am doing isnt scummy

but in town play like you

i am trying this is only my 2nd game ok. i have neverd playd on tos or any scum sight or foum sights so i am doing the best i can and now i am doing the best i can to

prove that i am town like you and temp

so get off my back and i'll get off yours and maybe we can hunt scum together sound fair.

Wait did you just admit that Sera is playing like town and you're only voting her because she is suspicious of you? That's a BIG red flag.

If by that you're referring to attacking me and Sera over what was ultimately a mistake, I don't believe you are, and I think I've shown why.

let me ask you this why would scum care if you outed a pr. i am calming down now i was pisst off i don't like to lose. i can only sort so much on so little post in 9 days.

still lamist.

i honestly feel spangled was just scum hunting and maybe sera was too what makes me wonder is why did the new guy vote for after you climed pr and no one counter you

flips his perspective without explaining why. Still voting for Sera at this point too.

i wii make this know here and now im not okay with a cyan lynch so i will not vote them

gotta let us know he wont lynch the doctor claim?

VOTE: Cyan. after seeing i have no choise i vote cyan not that i wanted to

"oh wait actually I will lynch the doctor claim, even tho I made such a big deal about outing prs!"

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2. Reads

Spoiler:

i'm trying we still in page 6 and until the game is in full swing we wont have much to go on i think the best thing to do is maybe cast a vote on some one now and see where it leads. cyan didn't give me much of a response so i think that's how town would act. given it was rvs

"Do as I say, not as I do." His vote is still RVS on cyan at this point. He makes 43 more posts before he unvotes cyan (then lingers with no vote for 71 more posts until he votes Sera). Why does he say we should be voting on people and then doing the complete opposite?

why would i give reads on the 1st page when theres still people not yet to post dont be so hasty let others post then i can give reads.

Waiting to pocket reads? Maybe not... But he also waited until 16 days into the game to give a readslist, which would give him plenty of time to do so.

welcome so now the game can start now that every ones here

The game had already started...

i like to wait for every one to post once before i get out of rvs mode since then i can start reading players based on thire post content and how help for it is. and how many there is. as knowing this can help me find scum

Everyone had posted looong before he finally gave reads. Not incriminating by itself but he even said he was going to, under these conditions, but didn't.

so temp what are your reads so far and why?

asking for reads but still not posting his

not enough post from any one yet to form proper reads

almost 200 thread posts later, still no reads.

town
lich cop clime
cyan flip doc
spangled town
red null
rob scum lean
sera scum lean
me watcher
wenmester town lean
adoable townish

sorry to throse who replaced in i couldn't remember all your names yet but there is my read it took 16 days to get enough information to give a good read i dont just hand these out i study carefully and will do cases on why i find you scummy later on also pc isuse still happening but will keep playing though as much as i can looking to get a new charger soon.

almost 700 posts later lol and with no explanations given. He now townreads spangled and and townleans Whemestar? Weird.

Shooting Cyan (softed a PR) instead of me (a claimed cop) is some major blue liquid in front of me

he literally gave away his role 2 times. HIS EXACT ROLE. If you read the setup information post (2) then you would understand this

you seem to very smart i like your follow though and will most likely sheep your vote . this game is way to far over the place in a 16 day 1st day we should have been able to find all of scum and i get I'm not helping much i just felt it was super bad for us for both prs to out them selfs on d1 if you think lich isn't telling the truth am inclend to have faith in it. been having a pc issue for almost 10days now.

why want to sheep me already? he was nullreading my slot before I joined in and never even tried to interact with me before saying he would sheep me?

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3. Weird phone interactions

Spoiler:

its okay phone if you think hes scum vote for him i was just leting you know hes at l1

Innocent or trying to get another newb to do his bidding?

phone jumped off robs wagon when he heard it was l1 this shows town not wanting to get a lynch to fast

sus

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4. Trying to save his day one?

Spoiler:

no office intended Adorable but you do realize if you drag the day out and rob still gets lynch and flips scum instead of town you look bad right? just saying not ment to be harsh.

Robb/Osuka is one of my top suspects for being scum if Cyrus is, and this to me looks like cyrus either trying to scare Adorable into lynching him quickly (which would cut d1 short, not as bad as a long d1 scum lynch) or not lynching him at all (scum partner lives)

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5. Another random flip flop

Spoiler:

yea connar and phone could be scum maybe as of now both of them are bloging the game now

if you think about it phone and conner are helping us because the days paused so we have longer to find scum

quick change of heart?

Originally this was all going to be organized better but oh well. I had over 250 posts to go through from him alone. Anyway this is scum, and if it isn't, it's going to distract me too much because town!cyrus62 doesn't make sense. I want to get around to interacting with everyone and form some better reads and then lynch this guy.

[WhemeStar]

Okay I’m fine with lynching osuka

[eth0s]

Okay I’m fine with lynching osuka

I mean there's no way you read that post in one minute

[WhemeStar]

Okay I’m fine with lynching osuka

I mean there's no way you read that post in one minute

I didn’t

[eth0s]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

[eth0s]

Okay I’m fine with lynching osuka

I mean there's no way you read that post in one minute

I didn’t

I mean it'd be nice if you put in some effort. I thought you just isoed me, but you didn't even read that post? lol

[WhemeStar]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

[WhemeStar]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

I wanna vote you for this post

[eth0s]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

I wanna vote you for this post

lol okay. I wanna see you make some actual effort in this game. Funny thing is you get to decide if either of us get what we want.

[Spangled]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.

[eth0s]

Keep making low effort posts while obviously not even reading shit that you just claimed to read. That makes this game

soooo

easy to win if you're town...

[WhemeStar]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.

Why would he think floppy is a Pr

[eth0s]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.

I mean wheme can't even imagine a world in which temp isn't cop here. Maybe that is because Wheme knows the setup, is RB, and knows there must be a cop claim going uncc'ed? He officially just moved up to my 2nd lynch choice for the day

[eth0s]

but anyway
VOTE: osuka
80% sure this is scum

[WhemeStar]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.

I mean wheme can't even imagine a world in which temp isn't cop here. Maybe that is because Wheme knows the setup, is RB, and knows there must be a cop claim going uncc'ed? He officially just moved up to my 2nd lynch choice for the day

Because if he isn’t he would of been ccd by now

[WhemeStar]

If he isn’t cop that means he’s scum

[eth0s]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.

Why would he think floppy is a Pr

why are you still making reads when you obviously don't read half the game

[WhemeStar]

There’s 1 scum left so how tf would osuka be scum AND think flippy is pr

[Spangled]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.

Why would he think floppy is a Pr

Because he was keeping quiet, maybe?
I have no idea.

...Although if Temp wasn’t a PR, surely he’d be scum right eth0s?

[Adorable]

Come to think of it eth0s's ISO looks miles better than osuka's, I'm not sure how the hell I got the two confused once

Yeah I am willing to vote osuka if necessary, that ISO was like 10 times worse than I thought

Pedit: Yeah that Emp NK is Spicy indeed... but the only NK in this setup is from scum so...

Yeah but the point is that there must have been an ulterior motive; you don’t kill someone who is mislynchable and is null-to-townread by everyone without an ulterior motive.

Whoever killed Emperor/Sera must have town read this slot and notice on day 1 Sera wanted to lynch Cyrus.

[WhemeStar]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.

Why would he think floppy is a Pr

Because he was keeping quiet, maybe?
I have no idea.

...Although if Temp wasn’t a PR, surely he’d be scum right eth0s?

Thank you

[Spangled]

Come to think of it eth0s's ISO looks miles better than osuka's, I'm not sure how the hell I got the two confused once

Yeah I am willing to vote osuka if necessary, that ISO was like 10 times worse than I thought

Pedit: Yeah that Emp NK is Spicy indeed... but the only NK in this setup is from scum so...

Yeah but the point is that there must have been an ulterior motive; you don’t kill someone who is mislynchable and is null-to-townread by everyone without an ulterior motive.

Whoever killed Emperor/Sera must have town read this slot and notice on day 1 Sera wanted to lynch Cyrus.

Townread which slot, sorry?

[eth0s]

If he isn’t cop that means he’s scum

exactly..... you are answering your own question as to why osuka could possibly see emporer as scum.

btw Osuka would have shot me if he could've gotten away with it, would have shot spangled if the wifom situation that cyrus and osuka created wouldn't have likely come back to bite osuka, would never shoot adorable because she is too inconsistent and lurky, would never shoot temporal because town!him is the scummiest town player I have ever seen, and rb!osuka can just rb him and leave his chaotic flipping in the game until lylo, would never shoot wheme because you make zero effort and are easy to manipulate.

[Spangled]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.

Why would he think floppy is a Pr

Because he was keeping quiet, maybe?
I have no idea.

...Although if Temp wasn’t a PR, surely he’d be scum right eth0s?

@eth0s

[WhemeStar]

Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka

because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum

This makes 0 sense

Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.

Why would he think floppy is a Pr

Because he was keeping quiet, maybe?
I have no idea.

...Although if Temp wasn’t a PR, surely he’d be scum right eth0s?

@eth0s

@eth0s