Newbie 1943: Crosswords (Game Over)

eth0s · Post Post #1625 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:21 pm

In post 1620, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 1618, Spangled wrote:
In post 1611, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 1609, Spangled wrote:
In post 1606, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 1604, eth0s wrote:
In post 1598, WhemeStar wrote:Unless I’m missing something the only people he really “questioned” was me and osuka
because osuka thought he was PR and knew he couldn't nk me or he would be obvscum
This makes 0 sense
Why?
What eth0s is saying is:
osuka couldn’t NK eth0s because that would make him obvscum.
And he NKed flippy because he thought that flippy was a PR.
Why would he think floppy is a Pr
Because he was keeping quiet, maybe?
I have no idea.

...Although if Temp wasn’t a PR, surely he’d be scum right eth0s?
Thank you

yeah but all game you are convinced he is pr why exactly?? I mean he probably is but you don't even question it, even given his scummy behavior.

BY THE WAY IF ANYONE CC'S PR TODAY THEY EAT ROPE. AND SOMETIMES IN VERY DESPERATE SITUATIONS, VT CLAIMING PR CAN BE A USEFUL STRAT. BUT DO NOT FUCKING DO THAT THIS GAME. ESPECIALLY NOT TODAY. A CC WINS US THE GAME, OTHERWISE IT IS 99% BETWEEN OSUKA, WHEME, AND ADORABLE UNLESS SPANGLED IS TRULY A GOD AT MAFIA.

WhemeStar · Post Post #1626 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:24 pm

In post 1625, eth0s wrote:yeah but all game you are convinced he is pr why exactly?? I mean he probably is but you don't even question it, even given his scummy behavior.

BY THE WAY IF ANYONE CC'S PR TODAY THEY EAT ROPE. AND SOMETIMES IN VERY DESPERATE SITUATIONS, VT CLAIMING PR CAN BE A USEFUL STRAT. BUT DO NOT FUCKING DO THAT THIS GAME. ESPECIALLY NOT TODAY. A CC WINS US THE GAME, OTHERWISE IT IS 99% BETWEEN OSUKA, WHEME, AND ADORABLE UNLESS SPANGLED IS TRULY A GOD AT MAFIA.

he hasnt been CC'd all game.

WhemeStar · Post Post #1627 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:24 pm

he would of been cc'd a long time ago if he wasn't cop.

WhemeStar · Post Post #1628 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:24 pm

in no world does he go un cc'd and in no world does he claim cop as vt

Spangled · Post Post #1629 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:24 pm

In post 1622, eth0s wrote:
In post 1615, WhemeStar wrote:If he isn’t cop that means he’s scum
exactly..... you are answering your own question as to why osuka could possibly see emporer as scum.

btw Osuka would have shot me if he could've gotten away with it, would have shot spangled if the wifom situation that cyrus and osuka created wouldn't have likely come back to bite osuka, would never shoot adorable because she is too inconsistent and lurky, would never shoot temporal because town!him is the scummiest town player I have ever seen, and rb!osuka can just rb him and leave his chaotic flipping in the game until lylo, would never shoot wheme because you make zero effort and are easy to manipulate.

Yep.
It actually all fits.
VOTE: osuka

eth0s · Post Post #1630 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:25 pm

There's only 2 reasons someone would fakeclaim PR on day one. Either they are VT and scared and don't realize the implication of their actions on the future of the game, or they are scum who know they will eventually die but are backed into a corner and hope it will buy them time. So, no, Temporal lich isn't certainly scum if not cop, but from what I understand of Temp, he very likely would be. But scum wouldnt fakecounterclaim the cop role today, there is almost no way they survive something like that. So a real CC today wins us the game if we lynch both cop claimers, unless you think that lich would actually claim as VT, which I really don't see happening personally.

WhemeStar · Post Post #1631 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:25 pm

The only way osuka thinks flippy is PR is if lich claimed cop as a vanilla townie which he would never do.

Spangled · Post Post #1632 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:26 pm

In post 1627, WhemeStar wrote:he would of been cc'd a long time ago if he wasn't cop.

Not necessarily.
CCing hasn’t been all that beneficial to town this game, but it is most now.

eth0s · Post Post #1633 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:26 pm

Also wheme I don't give a singular fuck about what you think until you address my case on cyrus and tell me what you think about it. I'm done defending myself against a low effort player like you.

Spangled · Post Post #1634 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:27 pm

In post 1631, WhemeStar wrote:The only way osuka thinks flippy is PR is if lich claimed cop as a vanilla townie which he would never do.

That is not the entirety of eth0s’ case.

Read it all.

WhemeStar · Post Post #1635 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:27 pm

In post 1632, Spangled wrote:
In post 1627, WhemeStar wrote:he would of been cc'd a long time ago if he wasn't cop.
Not necessarily.
CCing hasn’t been all that beneficial to town this game, but it is most now.

Since when is it beneficial to not cc

eth0s · Post Post #1636 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:28 pm

a CC in mylo or lylo is the only time scum would CC and have any real chance at winning this game now btw. Unless town actually would think that temporal would claim as vt. that's literally the only thing that would allow a scum to win after ccing in mylo/lylo

WhemeStar · Post Post #1637 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:28 pm

In post 1634, Spangled wrote:
In post 1631, WhemeStar wrote:The only way osuka thinks flippy is PR is if lich claimed cop as a vanilla townie which he would never do.
That is not the entirety of eth0s’ case.
Read it all.

He said osuka thought flippy would be PR

what am i missing

WhemeStar · Post Post #1638 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:29 pm

A VT should never claim PR in a newbie game

WhemeStar · Post Post #1639 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:29 pm

Im pretty sure lich knows this

eth0s · Post Post #1640 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:30 pm

In post 1635, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 1632, Spangled wrote:
In post 1627, WhemeStar wrote:he would of been cc'd a long time ago if he wasn't cop.
Not necessarily.
CCing hasn’t been all that beneficial to town this game, but it is most now.
Since when is it beneficial to not cc

uh, since there is an rb in the game that can make sure the pr is blocked until they die, and they can almost 100% know the claimer is scum and never side with their wagon, and use the silent knowledge of who is scum to PoE who their buddy is?

eth0s · Post Post #1641 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:31 pm

In post 1638, WhemeStar wrote:A VT should never claim PR in a newbie game

In post 1639, WhemeStar wrote:Im pretty sure lich knows this

okay? so we agree then. great.

eth0s · Post Post #1642 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:33 pm

if there's really a cop in this game that isn't temp, logically they would have targeted him last night. Then the result of that would have came out today. Then town wins in 2 more phases max assuming temp would be scum in this scenario. Or, the real cop sees that temp is actually VT, thinks he's a dumbass for claiming cop, but doesn't pursue him because.... they know he is a VT.

eth0s · Post Post #1643 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:35 pm

sorry, the result only becomes if the cop sees that temp is scum, or if the real pr is under immense pressure or about to be lynched. Otherwise the real cop stays silent and lets temp keep getting RBed while looking for the real scum each night.

eth0s · Post Post #1644 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:36 pm

In post 1643, eth0s wrote:sorry, the result only becomes if the cop sees that temp is scum, or if the real pr is under immense pressure or about to be lynched. Otherwise the real cop stays silent and lets temp keep getting RBed while looking for the real scum each night.

I mean "the result only becomes

public

if the cop sees that temp is scum"

WhemeStar · Post Post #1645 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:37 pm

In post 1641, eth0s wrote:
In post 1638, WhemeStar wrote:A VT should never claim PR in a newbie game

In post 1639, WhemeStar wrote:Im pretty sure lich knows this
okay? so we agree then. great.

and the only world where osuka thinks flippy is scum is when lich claimed PR as a VT

Adorable · Post Post #1646 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:39 pm

In post 1567, Adorable wrote:Last remaining scum is either Osuka or Wheme.

On day 1 when Robb had 4 votes, I did not like it when Cyrus said this to me. "Adorable, you do know if Robb flips scum that will make you look bad." That also looked like if Robb/Osuka did flip scum, Cyrus would make me look bad and he town reads Robb/Osuka on day 1. Day 2 comes and then he conveniently scum reads Osuka and votes him and why did Cyrus not vote him on day 1? I also start to wonder if he voted Osuka for town cred. On day 2 Osuka said he would look at Spangled or Temp if Cyrus flips mafia and they are still alive. I also did not like it when Osuka said my reads looked fabricated and that looked like scum throwing shade on me.

On day 1 Phone claimed Cop and it looked like he wanted to get a reaction from the real Cop. On day 1 Wheme said he would look at Cyrus if Cyan is town but on day 2 he goes after me instead of Cyrus and his tunneling was scummy and he kept saying I am scum without providing any reasoning. Cyrus said he thinks Wheme is town and he didn't want to vote Wheme earlier and then later on in day 2 he voted Wheme. Wheme also said Temp agreed with my case on Wheme and Temp did not agree with me, it was Cyrus case Temp agreed with and he was one of the players who did not vote Cyrus when he got lynched.

If you guys are feeling really confident Osuka will flip mafia, I guess we could vote him and see.

I still think Osuka could be scum for reason I stated above. He has 3 votes now and one more vote and he gets lynched. Should I hammer again or should I wait?

TemporalLich · Post Post #1647 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:39 pm

I'm trying to see how osuka is confirmed scum because of the Emp nightkill but I just can't see it.

for the record osuka is already at L-1 somehow, I can put osuka in the tent if necessary

WhemeStar · Post Post #1648 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:40 pm

Just hammer

eth0s · Post Post #1649 (ISO) » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:41 pm

In post 1647, TemporalLich wrote:I'm trying to see how osuka is confirmed scum because of the Emp nightkill but I just can't see it.

for the record osuka is already at L-1 somehow, I can put osuka in the tent if necessary

it isn't about the emp kill. He is already basically proven scum before that. I'm just showing why he landed on that night kill. The night kill didn't prove to me that he was scum or really even have that much of a bearing on my read on Osuka