Role Call I (Game Over)

[callforjudgement]

Game status

Record of toDay's failed proposals:

Spoiler: AP's proposal

• Night 2 Bulletproof
  : apthet
  
• Captain
  : AP
  
• Chronomage
  : Hidden Happiness
  
• Doublevoter
  : Bingle
  
• Neighbour
  : Gamma Emerald
  
• Day 3 Post Restricted
  : momo
  
• Psychologist
  : popsofctown
  
• Revisor
  : CheekyTeeky
  
• Night 3 Compulsive Role Caller
  : Dunnstral
  
• Even-Night Tracker
  : pisskop
  
• Treestump
  : Creature
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  : Lil Uzi Vert

For

(2): Hidden Happiness, CheekyTeeky

Against

(6): popsofctown, AP, Bingle, Lil Uzi Vert, pisskop, Dunnstral

Not voting

(4): momo, apthet, Gamma Emerald, Creature

Current proposal

(by Bingle):

• Night 2 Bulletproof
  : Bingle
  
• Captain
  : AP
  
• Chronomage
  : Gamma Emerald
  
• Doublevoter
  : Dunnstral
  
• Neighbour
  : apthet
  
• Day 3 Post Restricted
  : Lil Uzi Vert
  
• Psychologist
  : popsofctown
  
• Revisor
  : Hidden Happiness
  
• Night 3 Compulsive Role Caller
  : CheekyTeeky
  
• Even-Night Tracker
  : pisskop
  
• Treestump
  : momo
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  : Creature

For

(1): Bingle

Against

(0):

nobody

Not voting

(11): momo, apthet, Gamma Emerald, Creature, popsofctown, AP, Lil Uzi Vert, pisskop, Dunnstral, Hidden Happiness, CheekyTeeky

List of roles to distribute

Proposal available

(9): momo, popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert, pisskop, apthet, Dunnstral, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald, Creature

Proposal unavailable

(3): Hidden Happiness, AP, Bingle

To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 7 players vote for it.
Deadline is currently 06:00 UTC on Thursday 8 August (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-08-08 06:00:00)

). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Unofficial vote count

momo

(1): popsofctown

These votes don't do anything, but I'm counting them anyway.

[callforjudgement]

CheekyTeeky has been prodded.

[Hidden Happiness]

Swapping AP and Dunnstral seems like an obvious optimization
I don't understand why Bingle is BP
But my biggest thing is I'd rather get a different lynch from momo incase Creature flips red and clears momo-slot

I would assume because people wanted him to be BP? I think it's better on Apthet still but maybe putting apthet in the neighbourhood is a good idea actually for secret reasons.

By vote spread the Creature + LUV proposal should have gone through. You already don't want LUV because of associations so excluding momo too is a bit needlessly difficult. Especially since I think you'd prefer AP and he's

probably town

not a supported lynch except by Creature? I'd still rather we just vote CreaLUV in the first place. - Shadoweh

[popsofctown]

I feel like I'm probably not going to get the other lynch I want today. People are planning to give me a weak-ass power role tonight and I am widely townread so I think I'm going to leave the scum guessing on what my LUV alternatives actually are so they don't know whether to let me go on living with bad reads or not.

I posted it in the neighbor PT just now though, it feels like a fun way to get value out of my role. That leaves me accountable for doing implausible 180s on my read and also preserves the sheepability of the reads which are the two main drawbacks to "hide your reads to degrade NK quality"

If people stop their excitement for LUV lynch I will bring a case for who is the highest quality lynch into the open.

[popsofctown]

pk and I have been discussing our reads more in depth in the neighborhood so if we both get investigative roles it might not be optimal to add an {additional} potential scum to the neighborhood. The alternative would be to neighborize Dunnstral or to

@mod: is Neighbor: popsofctown a valid role assignment, or is that similar to momo: psychologist in validity?

[callforjudgement]

@mod: is Neighbor: popsofctown a valid role assignment, or is that similar to momo: psychologist in validity?

You can put the same person into the Neighbourhood twice. It's redundant but not invalid.

[popsofctown]

2 person neighborhood seems outright stronger than 3 person neighborhood. The gossip is only powerful if it's actually being hidden from scum. I don't really feel like the neighborhood actually helps me sort pisskop and if you added apthet I don't think it would do that much to help me sort her.
There's a special reason the neighborhood "helped me" "read" unwnd in Starry Night
There's a risk we don't continue to get offered neighbor roles and that after an NK the neighborhood dwindles to 1 person which is not a neighborhood, but it's a weak power overall so I think it's better to optimize it and risk breaking rather than focus on preserving it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: For

[Bingle]

You can put the same person into the Neighbourhood twice. It's redundant but not invalid.

If we put the same person in the same neighborhood twice, are they required to double post all of their posts in that neighborhood? I vote yes.

[momo]

y'all know i'm for lynching creature and treestumping myself

this is ideal

[Bingle]

There's a risk we don't continue to get offered neighbor roles and that after an NK the neighborhood dwindles to 1 person which is not a neighborhood, but it's a weak power overall so I think it's better to optimize it and risk breaking rather than focus on preserving it.

The reason I wanted to add apthet to the neighborhood is because I tr both you and pk and if apthet is town there's a decent chance of her being nk'd.

My thought is she puts her night action choice into the neighborhood as close as possible to night end and you guys can confirm which invention went where in case she dies, meaning scum can't just hide that they got hero and potentially fuck us or bodyguard and remove all utility from the role.

If we keep getting neighbors, I think giving neighbor to bg is probably a good choice, overall, so they can do the same thing.

I'm also really not concerned with scum listening in on the neighborhood tbh. Like, as just neighbors, your information/conclusions should probably just be shared in the main thread. If we give powerroles to the neighborhood, (and vice versa) they can choose not to share target over night if they think the neighborhood is compromised or even better share target right before daystart.

I'm actually pretty interested in why you are worried about someone joining the neighborhood in the first place, and am going to insist we don't have the neighborhood double up today, because there's potentially a hilarious town coup to be had here if you and pisskop are scum together and the neighborhood would out that. It'd even make up for how garbagey my reads are if that's the case.

[AP]

I feel like I'm probably not going to get the other lynch I want today. People are planning to give me a weak-ass power role tonight and I am widely townread so I think I'm going to leave the scum guessing on what my LUV alternatives actually are so they don't know whether to let me go on living with bad reads or not.

I posted it in the neighbor PT just now though, it feels like a fun way to get value out of my role. That leaves me accountable for doing implausible 180s on my read and also preserves the sheepability of the reads which are the two main drawbacks to "hide your reads to degrade NK quality"

If people stop their excitement for LUV lynch I will bring a case for who is the highest quality lynch into the open.

Haven't you heard? The current proposal has Creature as the lynch, not LUV.

[AP]

y'all know i'm for lynching creature and treestumping myself

this is ideal

Do we? Cuz I don't see your vote for it

[momo]

y'all know i'm for lynching creature and treestumping myself

this is ideal

Do we? Cuz I don't see your vote for it

VOTE: for

[momo]

pk and I have been discussing our reads more in depth in the neighborhood so if we both get investigative roles it might not be optimal to add an {additional} potential scum to the neighborhood. The alternative would be to neighborize Dunnstral or to

@mod: is Neighbor: popsofctown a valid role assignment, or is that similar to momo: psychologist in validity?

why can't i be psychologist?

[AP]

why can't i be psychologist?

I thought we agreed you were best treestumped so you can lead us to victory?

VOTE: For

[Bingle]

why can't i be psychologist?

You're inactive. If someone proposes you as psychologist it's an invalid proposal.

[pisskop]

hes also scum, so this is fine

[popsofctown]

There's a risk we don't continue to get offered neighbor roles and that after an NK the neighborhood dwindles to 1 person which is not a neighborhood, but it's a weak power overall so I think it's better to optimize it and risk breaking rather than focus on preserving it.

The reason I wanted to add apthet to the neighborhood is because I tr both you and pk and if apthet is town there's a decent chance of her being nk'd.

My thought is she puts her night action choice into the neighborhood as close as possible to night end and you guys can confirm which invention went where in case she dies, meaning scum can't just hide that they got hero and potentially fuck us or bodyguard and remove all utility from the role.

If we keep getting neighbors, I think giving neighbor to bg is probably a good choice, overall, so they can do the same thing.

I'm also really not concerned with scum listening in on the neighborhood tbh. Like, as just neighbors, your information/conclusions should probably just be shared in the main thread. If we give powerroles to the neighborhood, (and vice versa) they can choose not to share target over night if they think the neighborhood is compromised or even better share target right before daystart.

I'm actually pretty interested in why you are worried about someone joining the neighborhood in the first place, and am going to insist we don't have the neighborhood double up today, because there's potentially a hilarious town coup to be had here if you and pisskop are scum together and the neighborhood would out that. It'd even make up for how garbagey my reads are if that's the case.

Ok fine. I would prefer the mafia shoot pisskop so I could be more sure there is no scums in the neighborhood though. pls mafia.

Also you kind of more or less agreed with my concept, then designed a way to angleshoot around it with claiming near the deadline :S

[Bingle]

I would prefer mafia shoot a partner. Just think of the glory if you win anyway. Do it.

[popsofctown]

I mean Guns and Roses almost went lynch TD, shoot Something_Smart as assigned, shoot Croag, so it would have been win anyway.

[Bingle]

Sure, bring up Bingle's one loss.

[Dunnstral]

Pops how does your town play differ from your scum play btw

[Dunnstral]

Sure, bring up Bingle's one loss. :P

when you replaced in the game was pretty much over going into the night phase

[Bingle]

Still lost the game.

A loss is a loss is a loss, and I don't care enough about my record to hide behind excuses.