mini 2093, the search - an interminable period of darkness.

[gobbledygook]

specifically i'd think the person is town because if they were scum they could just NK me to manipulate their condition into fulfilling and that's too boring/bad

I think they are lying

Why do u think this?

I need to use a computer to crtl f but I will use this post as reference because I think even more so now they are lying

[gobbledygook]

I want to know what their win condition is because it sounds like they need to live past a certain day if a lyncher is against them which seems sketchy

Not sure i got that vibe

R u an alt ?

I’ve played on Smash boards another website

[gobbledygook]

Skitter I want you to think really hard about that post you quoted and their reactions vis a vis Fireball with them thinking that the lyncher is town

[skitter30]

Chenni r u informed that there is a lyncher on ur slot? Or do u just think ghat's a possibility?

[Acute Right Obtuse]

I'll clarify a little - it's not

exactly

a lyncher as in they AUTO win when I'm dead but let's just say their life becomes a LOT EASIER with me dead.

[123456789]

If not for the meta tell, your reaction to all of this is not representative of your town game. This frustration and the way you phrased it comes from you when you roll scum. I feel fairly certain about that. This reaction is clearly a response coming from frustrated scum that wants to know how they got caught, or perhaps being able to rectify their mistake mid-way, which is unfortunately for you not going to happen.

- Fireball.

I still find this rather distasteful even if it is not illegal. It is rather arrogant imo. Not sure if it comes from town or scum though.

I don't see anything of much substance in their posts. The only interesting one was the rant about your read. Seems genuine but if the parts about ability at this game are true I can easily see it being fabricated.

I'm not a big fan of day one. I'm normally one of the lynch options at the end of the day and in my experience the only useful stuff that happens is the voting towards the end of the day which almost always ends in a town lynch. I don't think anyone can have any certainty about anyone else's alignment at this point in the game unless they are scum and know everyone else it town.

I understand your position. However this tell is pretty strong, and the response to it makes me think that this tell is also applicable this game. If not for the tell itself, perhaps Chennis' response to it should be fairly telling that he seems particularly annoyed by my vote in particular, while having 4 other players on the wagon. The other reason why I have not revealed the tell, is to see what the slot would do about it, and they seem fairly obsessed with it to the point of only generating discussion about it, and not the game itself. Disregarding the tell, this is fairly scummy.

To be fair, there isn't much else to talk about. Your tell on ARO is the only real content we've seen this game so far.

My presence in those games is a non-relevant point of discussion, considering anyone can delve in the games you have played at any time. And if they do, they will certainly notice the same thing that I have notice, and will promptly join your wagon.

What made you think that our alt-condition is the one of a Lyncher? And what made you think that over the possibility of me being scum?

- Fireball.

You are pushing pretty hard on ARO for a meta tell you won't reveal. While I'm not saying you made up the tell, it does sound like something a lyncher would do.

[skitter30]

I'll clarify a little - it's not

exactly

a lyncher as in they AUTO win when I'm dead but let's just say their life becomes a LOT EASIER with me dead.

Hmmmmm

[Channel Fireball]

Why are you hunting alternate wincons rather than primary wincons, numbers?

-Chanel

[skitter30]

Skitter I want you to think really hard about that post you quoted and their reactions vis a vis Fireball with them thinking that the lyncher is town

Why dont u spell out what you're thinking?

[Channel Fireball]

Anyonw wanna wagon cyrus with me?

I'm down

VOTE: Cyrus

-Chanel

[123456789]

VOTE: fireball

Why do you think Fireball's actions are indicative of scum? After all, you admitted there is the possibility he is a town-aligned lyncher on your slot.

Oh trust me, dear. It exists. It's as clear as day. And the fact you insist about it for so long while trying to discredit my slot in particular, while having no discussion about the game in general, is very telling. It's also very amusing to see that you actually noticed your own tell as well. I know you have.

In fact, I invite all players here to do the same about your recent games. They can just have a cursory look and I can guarantee you that they will notice it as well.

- Fireball.

then what excuse do you have for not outing it?

exactly.

I wouldn't describe it as an excuse. Rather I would describe it as a way to show people your true alignment, without having to out the tell itself. Your reaction is quite invaluable to show to other players that you are scum, and the subconscious slip that you think I have a lyncher alt-con, rather than me simply being scum. This should be enough to prove your alignment to other town players.

- Fireball.

I don't consider the lyncher thing a slip. Maybe it is not the first reaction most people have to it, but it doesn't seem unreasonable in this sort of game.

At the same time fireball's push feels weird

I will admit that what I am doing is quite overkill, given a lot of players were already inclined to push ACO. Although, I would much rather ensure a lynch on scum today, it would not be the first time I see some wagons losing momentum without any rhyme or reason, especially an early day wagon. This is just insurance that we lynch scum today.

If you want to make sure you understand what I am referencing, I invite you to take a very quick look at Chennis' recent games, then look at this one. You will probably have a "oh!" moment, and vote with us and the 4 others on this wagon.

- Fireball.

Because wagons formed on day 1 of 14 are always so reliable.
Care to give which games we should be looking at in particular?

I like Elements so far this game.

Hey guys

I’m about 90% sure Cyrus is also scum

Is it because he seems to be lurking heavily this game?

[skitter30]

No, that's not why cyrus is scum here, really

[123456789]

Hey guys

I’m about 90% sure Cyrus is also scum

Care to elaborate?

Not at this time.

i honestly dont think any one forming reads cases or wagons this early in this type of game is town,

Among other reasons, though, this is pretty bad.

Isn't cyrus still fairly new to mafia on this site? I think it's a reasonable stance coming from newb!town.

Why are you hunting alternate wincons rather than primary wincons, numbers?

-Chanel

Umm... I'm not? What gives you that impression?

[Channel Fireball]

Number's defense of Cyrus feels quite out of place. In fact a lot of stances that Numbers has taken this game feel quite detached. They do ask a lot of questions but don't have a lot of reads of their own. I think Cyrus and Numbers are equally good lynches here, perhaps.

- Fireball.

[123456789]

There aren't many stances to take so far in this game.

[Channel Fireball]

There aren't many stances to take so far in this game.

Frankly I find that hard to believe. On a very basis level, every read you have is a stance in itself. Saying you don't have many stances to take in this game, would imply that you have very little to no reads. I find that to not be possible from a player that actually has been participating in some discussion already. This is a part of why I am suspicious of your slot, as I would imagine someone like you to have generated more thoughts and reads than mediating, say, our push against ACO earlier on.

- Fireball.

[123456789]

About half of this thread is you and ARO going back and forth with each other. It drowns out all the other posts in the game.

So far, I have Elements and skitter30 as lean!town for making good observations/offering alternative viewpoints rather than just going through the flow. While ARO kinda looked bad towards the beginning of their interactions with you, they seem to be looking a lot better towards the end, and I find their stances seem fairly reasonable, so I'm going with nullish town for them. I'm also going with nullish-town for you because I don't really see any scum motivation for what you did, and your tell seems pretty reasonable even if I am not putting much stock into it.

[Channel Fireball]

That sounds really great. What about Cyrus makes you think he is townie, though? If you think all of the people you mentioned are town, then where should we be pushing, in your opinion?

- Fireball.

[123456789]

Nothing has struck me as townie from cyrus, so I suppose I could vote there; HOWEVER, I would like to give cyrus more time because as I said, he seems relatively new to the game and may be having a hard time with this particular game.

I'm not sure who we should be pushing right now. I think we need to encourage other people to post more. Maybe gobble; he hasn't really given me a town vibe from his posts, and he's definitely been around.
VOTE: Gobble

[Channel Fireball]

Maybe gobble; he hasn't really given me a town vibe from his posts, and he's definitely been around.

Is there anything that strikes you as scummy from Gobble, or is it just the fact that you can't find a town vibe in all of his posts? If it's the latter, what's the difference between him and say, someone like Penguin, or Baezu Leaf?

- Fireball.

[Elements]

Nothing has struck me as townie from cyrus, so I suppose I could vote there; HOWEVER, I would like to give cyrus more time because as I said, he seems relatively new to the game and may be having a hard time with this particular game.

I can see this point of view. I had no clue what was going on in the first couple of page my first few reads of them.

[123456789]

Maybe gobble; he hasn't really given me a town vibe from his posts, and he's definitely been around.

Is there anything that strikes you as scummy from Gobble, or is it just the fact that you can't find a town vibe in all of his posts? If it's the latter, what's the difference between him and say, someone like Penguin, or Baezu Leaf?

- Fireball.

The insistence on wanting to know ARO's wincon/thinking they're lying sticks out some as possibly scum, but only ever so slightly. THe main difference between him and Penguin/Baezu Leaf is that gobble is actively participating in the thread whereas Penguin /Baezu Leaf aren't.

[skitter30]

Fire you feel kinda scummy to me

[Channel Fireball]

Fire you feel kinda scummy to me

Anything in particular you want to highlight?

- Fireball.

[Errantparabola]

what are you doing here???? go on to the next page!!!!