mini 2093, the search - an interminable period of darkness.

[Pine]

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Um why do you think this is a thing?

I mean, so you're saying that scum is a lyncher ... on scum in order to win ?

Idk i think that's p unlikely

@ pine

The Lover/Guard spec is setup spec

It’s not a fucking lyncher role. Expand your vocabulary. Cyrus was probably some sort of Usurper - it’s not without precedent for scum to have an agenda against one another

[Pine]

Numbers said they had a flaw in their Loved status. It makes sense that the Royal Guards turning on the Empress is that flaw

It’s a straight up educated guess, but not an unreasonable one

[Pine]

Also, Numbers never got to 8 votes; they topped out at 7. The proposed Guard flaw has not been adequately tested

[gobbledygook]

Why are the Royal Guards and Empress intertwined?

[Elements]

I've decided that PP and Pine are lying about everything now.
My role PM tells me there are three bandits

working together

presumably to lynch numbers before day 4. PP and Pine having alternate wincons to Cyrus doesn't stack with this. This all seems to check out both mechanically and flavour wise.

Flavour: Royal bodyguards, Empress, Bandits. All fit together nicely in this fictional world where the bandits are trying to kill the Empress. Melanque and I are royal bodyguards 'protecting' numbers, the Empress, who the bandits are trying to kill.

Mechanics: Superloved - Numbers effectively has 3 lynchers after em so this condition no longer seems outlandish at all. Bulletproof - seems a bit overkill but I can understand given the competing flavour factions, as I am now calling them, are geared towards a lynching style of warfare.

Pine is going absolutely bananas about not lynching numbers today. Saying irrational things about Numbers getting their alt wincon by surviving to day 4 - which will not change the game for the rest of us in any capacity. Desperation seems to have set in.
As gobble said - if your wincon was to "hammer scum" why did you not hammer Cyrus if he outed himself to you in your bandit chat? That makes no sense.

Conclusion - PP and Pine made this whole charade up during the night phase to throw suspicion onto numbers in the hope they would be lynched today.

[Elements]

Why are the Royal Guards and Empress intertwined?

Pretty sure it's just flavor

[skitter30]

Idk what a usurper is.

You presented cyrus's wincon as needing numbers dead. That reads like a lyncher to me

[Elements]

Also, Numbers never got to 8 votes; they topped out at 7. The proposed Guard flaw has not been adequately tested

This would also explain super loved status then. Given guards voting makes em easier to lynch and triple lyncher. Numbers' abilities almost make too much sense with EP saying this game is horrifically balanced.

[gobbledygook]

Usurper

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Usurper

[Menalque]

Actually, them lying about that makes a lot of sense

I was thinking lying about being bandits (still think this is possible btw, but v unlikely by now)

Skitt what’s your wincon again?

[Menalque]

Turkey, if Pine/PP are lying about stuff does that fuck up the plan

[Elements]

UNVOTE:
I want to sort this bandit stuff out today ideally

[Elements]

numbers what are the conditions you eluded to? telling us would really help clear things up.

[gobbledygook]

Turkey, if Pine/PP are lying about stuff does that fuck up the plan

Not really, it might make them less willing to use their PRs to help us though but like I said we can revisit this issue tomorrow if it is really an issue

[Elements]

gobble, any particular reason you picked me to be your prince? I an honoured

[gobbledygook]

I had to choose pregame and I chose you because you didn’t seem like a newb that would get instakilled

[gobbledygook]

Like even if PP and Pine’s wincon was to kill Numbers before a day 4 I would still probably give it to them because it’s two people and their ability is useful to town me. Numbers ability is now ueslesss. Plus, Pine and PP gave us Cyrus and Numbers is going after me (lol) and going after Deb (lol). So like Numbers at this point isn’t even really helping the town. My plan was a courtesy to him

However that said, I would need Pine and PP to be truthful and so far today I don’t think they are. How about this, first who is truthful about their full roles (PP/Pine and Numbers) I will grant my persuasion to

[gobbledygook]

this is what governance is like, real talk

You’re gonna piss off some people, and it’s better to piss off the few and the useless than piss off the more and the useful

[gobbledygook]

EP ty for this high school government class

[gobbledygook]

Sorry for spam but like really Pine and PP need to come clean because collectively we hold more sway than they do. Without their help we are only down 1 vote because presumably Numbers will follows town with whatever it does that isn’t killing him.

[Errantparabola]

vote count 2.7

Channel Fireball

(5): Baezu Leaf, Menalque, skitter30, gobbledygook, 123456789

123456789

(2): PenguinPower, Dr Easy Bake

Acute Right Obtuse

(2): Channel Fireball, Skygazer

Skygazer

(1): Acute Right Obtuse

Not Voting

(2): Pine, Elements

7 majority.
(expired on 2019-08-22 09:06:00)

[Channel Fireball]

We are going to be stringing up CF today. Why? Because we can satisfy Number's alt win con and still get rid of them at a later date.

So your plan is to lynch a town investigative because you don't think you can fulfill our wincon

Sounds like you... suck at mafia!

It doesn't help that this setup is a steaming pile of shit, I know, but turning off your brain on the primary wincon to achieve a secondary wincon is awful.

Oh but wait --

I’m prettty sure that CF and Numbers have a good chance of both being scum given their roles so it’s ok we can knock this out

lol you think that "town rolecop with a multitasking one-shot vig" is something scum have in this setup. In fact you think we're "likely scum given our role"

vig failed or not, arguing we're scum because of roleclaim is steaming garbage. I mean I don't mind getting out of this game because the design is objectively bad, but pretending like you're playing to town wincon here is braindead levels of stupid.

-Chanel

[Channel Fireball]

Flavour: Royal bodyguards, Empress, Bandits. All fit together nicely in this fictional world where the bandits are trying to kill the Empress.

Pretty sure it's just flavor

lol

[Channel Fireball]

I will grant my persuasion to

Said the guy with 0 credibility

[gobbledygook]

BaezuLeaf, you need to wincon claim. DEB, you need to fullclaim. The Whisperers need to come out and full claim because their cross voting doesn't make sense to me unless they know that the other one is confirmed scum. Plus, some people have abilities that are beyond their wincons, but others are seem specific for their exact wincons, which seems odd unless it is tried to balance for the original town v. mafia wincon, which I guess is plausible.

Channel, you need to explain a couple of things...

1) Did you actually scumread ARO? Was that tell a load of crap to disguise your lyncher wincon?
2) How did you know that ARO was your target almost instantly?

ARO, you also need to explain a couple of things...

What exactly does your wincon state? You spouted that you knew someone needed to get you lynched. What did you mean by that?
Why didn't you use your message ability last night?

BaezuLeaf, why did you target ARO for a protection last night?

Pine and PenguinePower, why did neither of you attempt to hammer Cyrus if hammering scum was your wincon?

Answering these questions could help me think you’re town because right now your play doesn’t really inspire much faith that you’re town. Also from my perspective how am I supposed to truly know I’m not going toward town win con by stringing you? That’s a bad argument.