mini 2093, the search - an interminable period of darkness.

[skitter30]

why do u think the false whisperer is scum?

[Skygazer]

skitter every game we've played lately you end up SRing me :c

kinda ironic considering you need to read a second aspect of me correctly for us to win lmfao

[chennisden]

@skitter i don't have any bp-like qualities

hmmmm
so why is aro bp against vig shots? i feel like your roles are meant to be symmetric?

do you reads btw ?

no. i lose if i die and so do u.

doesnt matter if u get me correct.

im not just BP against vig shots. if a vig targets me mafia can't start shooting me either.

[chennisden]

ive been playing like obv whisperer

flip sky, it goes "yeet false whisperer" and now im a BP sort-of IC.

[Skygazer]

why do u think the false whisperer is scum?

i think ur town here and i think our group of three is very likely to contain scum considering the one scum in the bandits

in a vacuum i'd say that the "false" aspect would be a red herring in terms of the dichotomy thing but EP was probably expecting ppl to think it's a red herring so maybe it's a double red herring and they're false and scum?

[skitter30]

i don't lose if you die ?

i just have to guess right at endgame; i don't think any of you/me/sky need to be alive for me to win

i'm confused by your bp
and confused why the role isn't symmetric

pedit again you both flip as whisperer i've said this like four times now

[Pine]

Also you did bus in that game

If you were thinking of blowing up your bussing meta why would you not do it here if you think it would give you the win?

Esp when Cyrus is the type of player who’s liable to be/become a liability anyway

Look, either PP or I or more likely both of us are going to die, either by NK or by lynching to pass the crown. The flip will disprove the bandit=scum theory. Also why the fuck would we claim our roles at all if we were scum? Easier to just stay hidden.

I've been looking over the PT. Unfortunately, Cyrus was very terse and direct, paraphrasing him is difficult without directly quoting.

What makes me think he was playing straight is how rapid-fire and matter-of-fact it is. He knew he had to take out Numbers, he knew we had to take him out, so he didn't care about all that. He at one point offered to "spy on" the scum PT for us, and when we turned on him started making threats like turning the NK on us, and saying he was our only link to scum.

The part about Numbers was a little confusing - his grammar and spelling leave a lot to be desired. The tidbit which is particularly interesting is that he said there would be no nightkill if we took down Numbers, which I just realized contains inverted elements of the Beloved Princess role, which fits a scum Empress. Cyrus *definitely* doesn't come up with that on his own, and it takes someone old and creative like EP to even think of it.

The more I think of it, that last part is the nail in the WIFOM coffin. He wasn't lying.

[Acute Right Obtuse]

i don't lose if you die ?

i just have to guess right at endgame; i don't think any of you/me/sky need to be alive for me to win

i'm confused by your bp
and confused why the role isn't symmetric

pedit again you both flip as whisperer i've said this like four times now

im confused too, and im also confused between the discrepancy of ur pm and mine.

[Pine]

Pine/PP, what happens if the player with the Crown jewel gets modkilled? What happens if a non-bandit gets the Crown Jewel?

No idea w/r/t modkill, I'll ask in our PT. The CJ might function for someone else, I don't know.

[Skygazer]

aro's bp against vigs claim is extremely survivalistic and they're trying to manipulate you into keeping them alive by claiming you'll lose if they die

it's like, ridiculously scummy bc it's pure survivalism

[skitter30]

my pm explicitly says i can win posthumously

where do you think the discrepensy is exactly?

[Acute Right Obtuse]

my pm explicitly says i can win posthumously

where do you think the discrepensy is exactly?

i just reread my role pm. u can win posthumously my bad. i however CANNOT.

[gobbledygook]

[Skygazer]

uh i can win posthumously

[gobbledygook]

Do the Royal guards really just have to name the bandits..?

[Menalque]

Is there a vig left? They could try shooting sky if we believe them

[gobbledygook]

Cause I think that’s a lie

[Menalque]

Do the Royal guards really just have to name the bandits..?

Yeah which is why I’m sceptical of the bandits not having to keep ttheir identities hidden as part of their wincon

[Skygazer]

lynch ARO today

i don't really see a world in which they're town rn

[gobbledygook]

But like they aren’t hidden... so... they’ve lost?

[Menalque]

Is there a vig left? They could try shooting sky if we believe them

Basically the logic here is that if they try shooting sky and she dies then she was prob being honest about not having 1 shot BP

but then again if she can win posthumously and ARO can’t that might be enough the explain why one role has BP and the other doesn’t

Not sure which is more likely to be given to the fake tho

[Menalque]

Hence 1337, turkey

[gobbledygook]

I think both Sky and ARO are town weirdly enough

[gobbledygook]

Wouldn’t it be funny if even though a faction won, no one satisfied their alt wincon.

[Baezu]

Sorry for spam but like really Pine and PP need to come clean because collectively we hold more sway than they do. Without their help we are only down 1 vote because presumably Numbers will follows town with whatever it does that isn’t killing him.

Okay, you win.

Penguin and I haven’t been lying so much as...massaging the truth. A version of it.

We were informed that 123456789 is the Empress, and e holds the Crown Jewel. Whoever possesses the Crown Jewel can *only* die by lynching. In order to win, a Bandit must fulfill their factional wincon AND possess the Crown Jewel at some point in the game. Complicating the matter is that the only way to take possession of the Crown Jewel is to hammer the lynch of the person who holds it.

When we put out the bait for scum to trade information on their team D1, Cyrus bit. Hard. He scumclaimed, and said he’d help us with our wincon by trading a scumbuddy for letting him have the Crown Jewel before we lynched him. We agreed, and he told us about Numbers being scum with him. He knew about eir extra powers, and said the only way ANY bandits were going to win was by working together. We promptly told him “Thanks but no thanks” and lynched him. Regardless of everything else, letting outed scum live wasn’t going to work. All he’d have to do is kill one of us, then it’s his word against the survivor.

PP is a 2-shot Jailkeeper. I’m a 2-shot Watcher. Our days are numbered. We can protect each other a little; Cyrus flipped on us and sent the scum NK after me, so PP had to spend a shot protecting me. Now we have to decide whether to Jail me again or have me Watch PP to catch his murderer. We’ve decided what we think scum are going to do, and will be keeping this to ourselves, thanks.

Numbers is 98% scum. I don’t think Cyrus has the guile or experience to pull one over on both PP and I, and he was talking too fast to have been coached. This is the BEST chance we have to take em down, and ALL Town wincons are dependent on it.

Numbers is the only acceptable lynch today.

I’m still not convinced the empress is scum...but for a town role to have a wincon of shooting town would be crazy too....

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