Ircher 9p pre-designed normal

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reviewed by bnl

[Ircher]

Basic Information:

Number of Players = 9
Faction Ratio = 7 Town : 2 Scum

Public Setup Information:

1. This setup is semi-open. Only the following (possibly modified) roles may appear in the game (as either alignment except as noted otherwise in the normal guidelines): Vanilla, Doctor, Tracker, Watcher, Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, and Universal Backup. Furthermore, only the following modifiers may be used: Any Night Specific (e.g.: Odd Night, Even Night, etc.), X-Shot, Loud, Announcing, Ninja, Strongman, Multitasking, Compulsive, Backup, Macho, and Indecisive.
2. This setup contains 7 Town and 2 Scum.
3. Mafia possess daytalk.

Role List:

1. Town 3-Shot Roleblocker
2. Town Indecisive Doctor
3. Vanilla Townie
4. Vanilla Townie
5. Vanilla Townie
6. Vanilla Townie
7. Vanilla Townie
8. Mafia 1-Shot Ninja
9. Mafia Multitasking Backup Tracker

Role PMs:

Spoiler: Town 3-Shot Roleblocker

Welcome, {Player}, to Micro Normal {X}: {Title}.
You are a

Town 3-Shot Roleblocker

!

Three times per game during the night, you may attempt to prevent a player from using active abilities.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated, and at least one townie is still alive.

Spoiler: Town Indecisive Doctor

Welcome, {Player}, to Micro Normal {X}: {Title}.
You are a

Town Indecisive Doctor

!

Each night, you may attempt to protect a player from a single kill. You may not protect the same player twice in a row.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated, and at least one townie is still alive.

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Micro Normal {X}: {Title}.
You are a

Vanilla Townie

!

You possess no special abilities other than your voice and your vote!

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated, and at least one townie is still alive.

Spoiler: Mafia 1-Shot Ninja

Welcome, {Player}, to Micro Normal {X}: {Title}.
You are a

Mafia 1-Shot Ninja

.

Once per game when performing the factional kill, you may use your one-shot ninja ability to hide yourself from tracking investigative reports.

As a member of the mafia, you share their factional night kill and factional communication. More information will be sent in a separate pm.

You win when all threats to the mafia are eliminated, and at least one mafioso is still alive, or when nothing can prevent the same.

Spoiler: Mafia Multitasking Backup Tracker

Welcome, {Player}, to Micro Normal {X}: {Title}.
You are a

Mafia Multitasking Backup Tracker

.

If a tracker (of either alignment) dies, you will inherit this ability:

Tracker

Each night, you may attempt to track a player and learn who they targeted that night.

Success Saw Something

You saw {Target} target {Player_One} and {Player_Two}.

Success Saw Nothing

You didn't see {Target} target anyone.

Failure

No Result: You could not obtain a result on {Target}.

You may perform any number of your actions each night. (E.g.: You may both track a player and kill a (potentially different) player.)

As a member of the mafia, you share their factional night kill and factional communication. More information will be sent in a separate pm.

You win when all threats to the mafia are eliminated, and at least one mafioso is still alive, or when nothing can prevent the same.

Spoiler: Separate Mafia PM

The mafia are {X} (Mafia 1-Shot Ninja) and {Y} (Mafia Multitasking Backup Tracker). The two of you may chat at anytime in here.

[BNL]

So the Mafia’s roles are useless, and they are there just to confuse them?

[Ircher]

Yes.

[BNL]

I'm a bit undecided. Balance-wise at first glance this seemed townsided, because the roleblocker becomes an uber-Cop when one Mafia is dead.

On the other hand, the 3-shot inhibits the ability to infinite-stall, so...

Normality-wise, I'm not really a fan of two useless Mafia roles, but I'm up to discussion about that.

[Ircher]

I don't think it's against normal guidelines or reasonable expectations to include roles that are useless or slightly misleading. For instance, the guidelines allow backups to exist for roles that do not exist. Alternatively, millers are allowed in setups without cops. I can understand disliking it, but I feel it is well within the realm of normalcy. As far as to why did I do that in this setup, I did it because I think it adds a little flair to the setup. Plus, I think it would help mafia come up with believable fakeclaims because I think they will realize come massclaim that neither a watcher nor a tracker exist in the setup, yet they could exist and the setup be "balanced" (if town assumes the roleblocker is scum-aligned, and there is a good chance of that.)

[Ircher]

As far as balance goes, I've never really seen a micro with a town roleblocker, so I'm not super sure where it lies on the power spectrum. I feel it would probably be about on par with a Tracker in the sense that if no kill goes through, the roleblocker can reasonably suspect (without further info) that they blocked it just as a tracker can get a guilty if they correctly guess. That aside, I think this setup is balanced out by the poor interactions between the roleblocker and the doctor, but I can make the roleblocker two-shot if that makes you feel better about the setup's balance.

[BNL]

Roleblocker is much more powerful than tracker:

If blocking the Mafia's kill, no one dies, protecting someone, possibly itself

With 1 Mafia left, it can claim a target, giving one more clear than a Tracker. Issue is less relevant because it's 3-shot


I disagree that it helps the Mafia with believable claims; it'll definitely confuse them, and they're likely to think there's a Tracker in the setup.

[BNL]

Btw for the setup information, Strongman is a role and not a modifier

[BNL]

It's also noteworthy that if the RB claims early, this will likely result in the scum shooting the RB but failing due to the Doctor. Normally this is a bad thing, but here it will confuse the RB

Thinking...

[BNL]

Getting back to this...

[BNL]

Ok based on some other setups I’ve read, Doctor+Roleblocker seems balanced against two goons... I’ll think further about it

[BNL]

I still don't like the idea of the Mafia having 2 useless roles, especially with the pool of available roles. That level of WIFOM is too high for a Mafia game.

As for the balance, I actually think the current setup is fine in retrospect. The swing of one scum dying early isn't that much better than that of Jailkeeper or doctor/tracker setups, and the doctor can cause false guilties here. In the absolute worst case scenario, the RB can generate 3 clears, but that isn't really avoidable. 2 shots would be too little. 3 shots is good enough and prevents game stalling.

I'd pass this if you reduce the WIFOM level on the Mafia's side.

[Ircher]

Basic Information:

Number of Players = 9
Faction Ratio = 7 Town : 2 Scum

Public Setup Information:

1. This setup is semi-open. Only the following (possibly modified) roles may appear in the game (as either alignment except as noted otherwise in the normal guidelines): Vanilla, Doctor, Tracker, Watcher, Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, Universal Backup, and Strongman. Furthermore, only the following modifiers may be used: Any Night Specific (e.g.: Odd Night, Even Night, etc.), X-Shot, Loud, Announcing, Ninja, Multitasking, Compulsive, Backup, Macho, and Indecisive.
2. This setup contains 7 Town and 2 Scum.
3. Mafia possess daytalk.

Role List:

1. Town 3-Shot Roleblocker
2. Town Indecisive Doctor
3. Vanilla Townie
4. Vanilla Townie
5. Vanilla Townie
6. Vanilla Townie
7. Vanilla Townie
8. Mafia 1-Shot Ninja
9. Mafia Goon

Role PMs:

Spoiler: Town 3-Shot Roleblocker

Welcome, {Player}, to Micro Normal {X}: {Title}.
You are a

Town 3-Shot Roleblocker

!

Three times per game during the night, you may attempt to prevent a player from using active abilities.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated, and at least one townie is still alive.

Spoiler: Town Indecisive Doctor

Welcome, {Player}, to Micro Normal {X}: {Title}.
You are a

Town Indecisive Doctor

!

Each night, you may attempt to protect a player from a single kill. You may not protect the same player twice in a row.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated, and at least one townie is still alive.

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Micro Normal {X}: {Title}.
You are a

Vanilla Townie

!

You possess no special abilities other than your voice and your vote!

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated, and at least one townie is still alive.

Spoiler: Mafia 1-Shot Ninja

Welcome, {Player}, to Micro Normal {X}: {Title}.
You are a

Mafia 1-Shot Ninja

.

Once per game when performing the factional kill, you may use your one-shot ninja ability to hide yourself from tracking investigative reports.

As a member of the mafia, you share their factional night kill and factional communication. More information will be sent in a separate pm.

You win when all threats to the mafia are eliminated, and at least one mafioso is still alive, or when nothing can prevent the same.

Spoiler: Mafia Goon

Welcome, {Player}, to Micro Normal {X}: {Title}.
You are a

Mafia Goon

!

You possess no special abilities other than your voice and your vote!

As a member of the mafia, you share their factional night kill and factional communication. More information will be sent in a separate pm.

You win when all threats to the mafia are eliminated, and at least one mafioso is still alive, or when nothing can prevent the same.

Spoiler: Separate Mafia PM

The mafia are {X} (Mafia 1-Shot Ninja) and {Y} (Mafia Multitasking Backup Tracker). The two of you may chat at anytime in here.

[Ircher]

Basically, I replaced the mafia multitasking backup tracker with a goon.

[BNL]

Setup is okay, I’ll check the role PMs