Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[teacher]

Ask anyone about skitter, they'll back me up. Or

just read her gtkas, I think she talks about it in there

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idk if we should talk about this as it's from the speakeasy and I think it's kinda scummy to bring that up knowing that

That is an incredibly bizarrely reachy take. Speaking about parts of the site is scummy how?

He's bringing it up in support of something he's saying, but multiple people here won't have access I'm p sure, and I thought the rule was that we're not meant to talk about anything in speakeasy outside of it? So it's a way to say "hey, there's evidence for my claim" without it being verifiable/without it being something we should really be discussing, if my understanding of rules about everything in speakeasy is correct

But he also brought up asking other people.
I don’t know speakeasy rules so can’t speak on that. Just found it to be attempting to read to much into a reference.

[teacher]

Also: 30% of pagetops. @ emps.

[teacher]

Finally, having just checked, GTKAS is outside the speakeasy.

[NotMySpamAccount]

Ah, screw it.

@ NMSA: What's your read on me?

null/town

I'm deadly serious

VOTE: NMSA

it's page 10, someone needs to chill

No, wait, I came up with a better question.

Menalque'a reaction is pretty scummy.

What about his reaction seemed scummy to you?

tone was bad, and then he blew it up way too big. He's expeerienced enough to know that D1 reads aren't exactly bulletproof. you make a simple response and let the game develop.

Ask anyone about skitter, they'll back me up. Or

just read her gtkas, I think she talks about it in there

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idk if we should talk about this as it's from the speakeasy and I think it's kinda scummy to bring that up knowing that

1. gtkas is separate from the speakeasy
2. it's not scummy

Ask anyone about skitter, they'll back me up. Or

just read her gtkas, I think she talks about it in there

.

idk if we should talk about this as it's from the speakeasy and I think it's kinda scummy to bring that up knowing that

That is an incredibly bizarrely reachy take. Speaking about parts of the site is scummy how?

He's bringing it up in support of something he's saying, but multiple people here won't have access I'm p sure, and I thought the rule was that we're not meant to talk about anything in speakeasy outside of it? So it's a way to say "hey, there's evidence for my claim" without it being verifiable/without it being something we should really be discussing, if my understanding of rules about everything in speakeasy is correct

I'm not talking about speakeasy, it's easily verifiable since you have the experience to go look, and it's all about a very minor point since skitter has one post.

Pedit:
Thanks teacher

[NotMySpamAccount]

VOTE: Menalque, just realized I forgot to earlier.

[Menalque]

yeah, I fucked up on the speakeasy thing, it's because I got GTKAS access through applying for speakeasy access so thought the one was inside the other

[Farkran]

also fark, why do ur reads changed based off of ppls read on u?

what do you guys think of farks reads being reactive to everyone elses reads on them?

I'm not adjusting reads based on words only, rather on actions. I had assumed (and i'm still not entirely convinced) that she was NOT aware her hammer vote was fake, since i genuinely thought speaking after having been lynched was going against the rules. I still think it should not be allowed: if you get lynched, you either prepared your testament in advance (like we used to do in old forum mafias through the [lastwill] command) or you go out silent. For this reason, i changed my mind on Selynee being townish.

Besides, you and Selynee are the only ones i changed my mind about. You said you weren't going to L-1 me and then two posts later you did, lol. More explanations on this on the my answers below.

Nah, not against the rules. Also, if there was a real hammer against town page 6, person would be lynched 90% of the time D2. Not such a great deal for mafia.

Why is Notspam town?

@ Farkran: Can you answer the question at the end of it? That part confused me too (you putting NMSA at 70% town).

I understand you think of me as a newbie, and legitimately so since this is my first game in this forum, and my first mafia game altogether after more than 7 years. I'm not hiding behind the newbie shield though, i am getting tells from people's posts and actions. Most pro-town people at the moment are notmyspam, Menalque, possibly sushi. I also really didn't like epic posts, i'd like to hear more from him - skitter is hiding behind VLA so anything i say about her would be irrelevant at this point.

Nah, not against the rules. Also, if there was a real hammer against town page 6, person would be lynched 90% of the time D2. Not such a great deal for mafia.

Why is Notspam town?

Are you saying anyone hammering town in d1 is going to be lynched d2? How optimistic of you. I like your style though, you really look like town when questioning like that. It's your actions that i am doubting.

@ Farkran: Forgive me if I'm being dense, but are you being sarcastic here?

Yes, i'm being overly sarcastic. Because, at one point during this day, someone WILL hammer a player and chances are it will be on a town vanilla due to sheer odds statistics. How in the world does that mean that whoever hammered him will be lynched in d2? I didn't like that reasoning at all. Someone has to be lynched, that i can agree with, but the way you do it gives tells.

Hammer testing tends town or partner. Why does it make you scumread them?

And emps, I always reread rvs. Some of the more useful associations are there, before scum get the feel of the room and can play into/against it as needed.

That didn't look hammer testing to me. Claiming (or speaking at all) after being lynched is against the rules if i am not mistaken. That looked more like genuine rushy bandwagon.

How do you define hammertesting?

It can’t be a bandwagon because they were already there. So answer the question: why does a second, and purportedly hammer (but not) - vote strike you as scummy?

Also, why is bandwaggoning scummy?

Try to see it from my point of view. If she wasn't aware of fakehammering, it would be a huge bandwagon move. I insist on saying she wasn't aware of it because it didn't made sense to me, since speaking after having lynched is against the rules - that's what i thought. There's even a line about "bah-posting". Could we actually get this mod-clarified? Can you speak after having been hammered or not?

Also, bandwagoning on the early train is one of the scummiest tells to me. That moved Selynee down my list of suspected scum.

[teacher]

How do you define bandwagoning? I ask because I disagree - it wouldn’t have been wagonninf if they thought they were elsewhere, it would be hammering. So what do you mean by calling it bandwagonnjng?

Also, “hiding behind v/la” : kindly check yourself. Skitter is not only one of the best on site with no need to hide ever, but also has had a standing Friday into Sunday morning v/la for as long as I’ve known her. Hiding is a pejorative term, and one of my loves for the this site and its deadlines is the way it respects real life. Try to keep that please.

[teacher]

Also, as a sometimes mod - you can always talk until you’ve been flipped/thread locked. This is called twilight. Nah posts refer to, for example, the D1 lynch posting “bah” at the start of D2, AFTER having been flipped.

In general, if you want mod clarifications, bold it so it jumps out.

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.3:

Menalque (2) -

teacher, NotMySpamAccount

Farkran (2) -

Seleynee, emps

teacher (1) -

Farkran

NotMySpamAccount (1) -

Menalque

Not voting (3) -

skitter30, Sushi Martyr, EpicCreeper9002

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 9am BST on the 28th August 2019. (expired on 2019-08-28 09:00:00)

[Farkran]

How do you define bandwagoning? I ask because I disagree - it wouldn’t have been wagonninf if they thought they were elsewhere, it would be hammering. So what do you mean by calling it bandwagonnjng?

Also, “hiding behind v/la” : kindly check yourself. Skitter is not only one of the best on site with no need to hide ever, but also has had a standing Friday into Sunday morning v/la for as long as I’ve known her. Hiding is a pejorative term, and one of my loves for the this site and its deadlines is the way it respects real life. Try to keep that please.

This is the second time you've been defending skitter for... no reason at all, besides her being VLA. I did not insult her, did i? I didn't even vote to lynch her, did i? Is there a rule stating that anyone on VLA cannot be scum? Care to give any reason why this is the second time you're defending her?

[meta]I'm not being disrespectful to anyone, just to let you know. The way i word my messages makes sense in this environment, i really didn't insult anyone. But no way you're going to escape my trials by avoiding to answer, regardless of the reason.[/meta]

[teacher]

How do you define bandwagoning? I ask because I disagree - it wouldn’t have been wagonninf if they thought they were elsewhere, it would be hammering. So what do you mean by calling it bandwagonnjng?

Also, “hiding behind v/la” : kindly check yourself. Skitter is not only one of the best on site with no need to hide ever, but also has had a standing Friday into Sunday morning v/la for as long as I’ve known her. Hiding is a pejorative term, and one of my loves for the this site and its deadlines is the way it respects real life. Try to keep that please.

This is the second time you've been defending skitter for... no reason at all, besides her being VLA. I did not insult her, did i? I didn't even vote to lynch her, did i? Is there a rule stating that anyone on VLA cannot be scum? Care to give any reason why this is the second time you're defending her?

[meta]I'm not being disrespectful to anyone, just to let you know. The way i word my messages makes sense in this environment, i really didn't insult anyone. But no way you're going to escape my trials by avoiding to answer, regardless of the reason.[/meta]

Hiding implies an active choice not to post - ie availability/monitoring the thread but lurking. It is not appropriate for someone who is known to be away. Thus, hiding is insulting and inaccurate.

And you’ll note both my times fefending skitter have been defending vLa. As someone who is normally vLa w my kids during the weekend (they’re away this one) that’s quite important to me, and educating about sitemeta being respectful of vlas is one of the purposes of newb games.

[Menalque]

when is the first time teacher defends her for V/LA?

[Menalque]

oh, the first post

I didn't think that was serious so I skimmed over it the first time I looked at teacher's iso

[teacher]

It wasn’t very serious but I was crediting it. Mostly I was trying to figure out how I was going to RVs in a game where I knew and liked so many people - normally my rvs is the person I’ve played w the most but here there were like 4 equal contestants for that, so was looking for something and your post worked.

[Farkran]

Hiding implies an active choice not to post - ie availability/monitoring the thread but lurking. It is not appropriate for someone who is known to be away. Thus, hiding is insulting and inaccurate.

And you’ll note both my times fefending skitter have been defending vLa. As someone who is normally vLa w my kids during the weekend (they’re away this one) that’s quite important to me, and educating about sitemeta being respectful of vlas is one of the purposes of newb games.

This is strict. I didn't call her out for cheating or anything like that. Regardless if the VLA is real or not (and i do believe it is real, i may have reasons to doubt her role in this game, but i have absolutely no reason to doubt the real person), however, there's no rule stating that you can't be scum during VLA, and most of your explanation posts are meta. I thank you for your insight to us new players, but if i were scum, i would definitely play like you are, in order to say something that sounds useful but actually isn't.

[teacher]

Hiding implies an active choice not to post - ie availability/monitoring the thread but lurking. It is not appropriate for someone who is known to be away. Thus, hiding is insulting and inaccurate.

And you’ll note both my times fefending skitter have been defending vLa. As someone who is normally vLa w my kids during the weekend (they’re away this one) that’s quite important to me, and educating about sitemeta being respectful of vlas is one of the purposes of newb games.

This is strict. I didn't call her out for cheating or anything like that. Regardless if the VLA is real or not (and i do believe it is real, i may have reasons to doubt her role in this game, but i have absolutely no reason to doubt the real person), however, there's no rule stating that you can't be scum during VLA, and most of your explanation posts are meta. I thank you for your insight to us new players, but if i were scum, i would definitely play like you are, in order to say something that sounds useful but actually isn't.

You’re ignoring the source of this whole discussion. You said Skitter was “hiding” behind vLa. I’m saying that’s wrong - she v likely hasn’t been online most of the day. That both calls you on a misrepping and provides accurate IN GAME information to people on how to assess Skitters activity.

[teacher]

How do you define bandwagoning? I ask because I disagree - it wouldn’t have been wagonninf if they thought they were elsewhere, it would be hammering. So what do you mean by calling it bandwagonnjng?

Could you actually answer this btw?

[Farkran]

Hiding implies an active choice not to post - ie availability/monitoring the thread but lurking. It is not appropriate for someone who is known to be away. Thus, hiding is insulting and inaccurate.

And you’ll note both my times fefending skitter have been defending vLa. As someone who is normally vLa w my kids during the weekend (they’re away this one) that’s quite important to me, and educating about sitemeta being respectful of vlas is one of the purposes of newb games.

This is strict. I didn't call her out for cheating or anything like that. Regardless if the VLA is real or not (and i do believe it is real, i may have reasons to doubt her role in this game, but i have absolutely no reason to doubt the real person), however, there's no rule stating that you can't be scum during VLA, and most of your explanation posts are meta. I thank you for your insight to us new players, but if i were scum, i would definitely play like you are, in order to say something that sounds useful but actually isn't.

You’re ignoring the source of this whole discussion. You said Skitter was “hiding” behind vLa. I’m saying that’s wrong - she v likely hasn’t been online most of the day. That both calls you on a misrepping and provides accurate IN GAME information to people on how to assess Skitters activity.

What's wrong about that, though? Just the semantics about the word "hiding"? I didn't suggest to do anything about her today, didn't call her out for anything - yet it sprouted a reaction from you only. This is one of the main reasons why i put you on my suspects list. Perhaps i just don't know you enough as a player and person to make judgements, but this is d1 in my first game on this site and i'm following my guts so far.

[emps]

stop wallposting please ty

[emps]

also 10/10 misrep. i clearly stated I wasn't putting you to L-1 because I thought not every one had checked in. Menalque pointed out that everyone actually had and then I placed u at l-1

[teacher]

Hiding implies an active choice not to post - ie availability/monitoring the thread but lurking. It is not appropriate for someone who is known to be away. Thus, hiding is insulting and inaccurate.

And you’ll note both my times fefending skitter have been defending vLa. As someone who is normally vLa w my kids during the weekend (they’re away this one) that’s quite important to me, and educating about sitemeta being respectful of vlas is one of the purposes of newb games.

This is strict. I didn't call her out for cheating or anything like that. Regardless if the VLA is real or not (and i do believe it is real, i may have reasons to doubt her role in this game, but i have absolutely no reason to doubt the real person), however, there's no rule stating that you can't be scum during VLA, and most of your explanation posts are meta. I thank you for your insight to us new players, but if i were scum, i would definitely play like you are, in order to say something that sounds useful but actually isn't.

You’re ignoring the source of this whole discussion. You said Skitter was “hiding” behind vLa. I’m saying that’s wrong - she v likely hasn’t been online most of the day. That both calls you on a misrepping and provides accurate IN GAME information to people on how to assess Skitters activity.

What's wrong about that, though? Just the semantics about the word "hiding"? I didn't suggest to do anything about her today, didn't call her out for anything - yet it sprouted a reaction from you only. This is one of the main reasons why i put you on my suspects list. Perhaps i just don't know you enough as a player and person to make judgements, but this is d1 in my first game on this site and i'm following my guts so far.

Yes, the “hiding behind” is what’s wrong. It suggests something is suspect when it is not.

This post is odd though - you’re again doing the same thing with “sprouted a reaction from you only”. I reacted in 6 minutes. Are you suggesting someone else should have weighed in in that time? If not, why say it? (These are not rhetorical questions, I actually want answers)

Finally, you say “this” is one of the main reasons I’m on your suspect list. What is “this”? Defending Skitter in an RVS post?

Ps- please answer the bandwagon q as well.

[emps]

what the fuck dude they clearly knew they were fake hammering...

[teacher]

also 10/10 misrep. i clearly stated I wasn't putting you to L-1 because I thought not every one had checked in. Menalque pointed out that everyone actually had and then I placed u at l-1

I think this was a reaction to something a couple pages ago, but could you link it?

[emps]

wait wtf how do you hide behind vla? Falsely declaring vla is disgusting and I think it's a bannable offense