Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[teacher]

Also pagetop

[emps]

Also pagetop

nice

[emps]

Who's scumreading me right now?

this is similar to what i did in my first scum game, where what really gave me away was trying to find a consensus and try to find out reads so i knew who to nk and all that stuff

[emps]

I understand that me being a newbie here could trigger the experts here into thinking i was genuinely believing some of the early rvs claims. I might have played poorly since i overlooked that possibility. However, try to stick to the facts and read my posts from both a town and a scum point of view, i believe you will learn more than you expect to.

idk what you're trying to say here

did you really think menalque had a n0 guilty on me?

No i did not. It's not possible.

then why did you pretend that you did

ur tone didnt read like u were going along w the joke

[teacher]

Spam - flesh out your creeper read?

reminder for this page that Fark is L-1

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.4:

Farkran (4) -

Seleynee, emps, skitter30, teacher

Menalque (1) -

NotMySpamAccount

Not voting (4) -

Sushi Martyr, Menalque, Farkran, EpicCreeper9002

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 9am BST on the 28th August 2019. (expired on 2019-08-28 09:00:00)

[Farkran]

Good morning everyone. I ahve been reading the latest three pages. I see that i am still a prime suspect. So, on with the answers... My not-so-great performance of the first day didn't seem to get us anywhere, but oh well.

First and foremost, updated readings based on the latest reports:

skitter: remotely possible team skitter+teacher or skitter+emps. Other than that, strongly town-oriented. I would, and used to, react the same way about this situation in previous games. I really can't stand her strong defense of emps though, i would understand doubts, but you're going too far here.

emps: aggression coming from the wrong reasons, hasn't even tried to read anyone else since i became the likely lynch for today. Very reachy, hasn't contributed positively ever since he voted me. Either VT taking it on a personal level (happens more often than it should) or genuine scum attempting to have an early lynch through bandwagon/goading.

teacher: still not offering anything useful to the conversation besides meta advices. Strong connection to emps in both words and actions - see their mutual defense in posts ~270 through ~290 and votewagoning shortly after.

menalque: still very trollish, offers decent analysis from time to time. Reasoning behind analysis is appropriate, so i'm at a loss here. Looks strongly town PR to me, although i find it hard to believe at this point.

selynee: fell back into silence ever since. Suspicious, but the possibilty of a cold-headed townie standing back to avoid confusion is there. No teams identified so far.

creeper: strong team-up behavior towards the prime suspect. Would be a very basic play for scum, when i turn out to be town he's going to "told you fark wasn't scum, now please lynch everyone else who voted him" and ofc everyone else is going to be town. Strong possibility of him coming from "another world" like i am, though. I'm inclined to believe his claims about chat mafia being very, very different than this one.

sushi: slightly teaming up, but doesn't seem swayed by me taking the attention of the day. He's not forgetting other people exist just as emps is trying to do. Seems very aware and careful of vote counts ever since he mistaken Selynee's fakehammer for a real one, and genuinely trying not to end the day too early.

notmyspamaccount: strong teaming up, feeling good vibes from him though. Does not sound desperate or reachy. Couldn't figure out the vote against menalque, i'd like some explanations.


Then, onto general answers about recent posts:

1. Seriously though, our experiences really differ. I believe i will get accustomed to this site's habits in several games, but to this moment i have been called out for backwards logic when everything i did was prompting people to talk and giving my honest opinion about facts happened in the game - from my personal point of view. Fakehammering was not a thing where i used to play, since you could not talk after dying - it could even be considered a dirty play - that's the main reason why my first thought was that she didn't realize she was not really hammering me. If this is an usual trick here, i will learn and possibly make use of it in the future.

2. About me crediting Menalque when he said he had something on skitter, i was just sparking the discussion, and i was successful. Please re-read this day from the correct point of view once you have a chance to.

3. "Why is getting people to talk townie"? Well, in my esperience, proactive and talkative players are usually town or mafia strongly pretending to be town. Silent people lean towards mafia the vast majority of the times, since they do not need to talk at all except for faking and accelerate the killings by casting votes. They already know everything they need to know. In a 1 mafia faction setup, their presence during day is there just so that they don't get lynched for obvscumming. Again, i used to play games with multiple "evil" factions such as 3 mafia vs 3 mafia vs 12 town, or 3 mafia vs cult vs town.

4. Finally, before you bite at me again for calling out PRs, this is also not a thing in my experience. A townie calling out PR on another plausible townie does not help scum in ANY possible way. Scum information and analysis is vastly superior to town's, there no way they wouldn't notice a plausible PR before town does. Pointing them out as a town helps other townies understanding every possible point of view while some one else's talking and, when the setup allows it, lead the doctor to heal the correct target or let scum mistarget due to WIFOM. Also, roleclaiming early is a legit strategy in some setups - mainly those with very few mafia and very few vanillas. This game falls midway, as a 2 to 9 mafia ratio is very low, but the 5 to 7 vanilla on the opposite is quite high.

[Farkran]

VOTE: teacher

Still the best possible information lynch so far. Slightly better than emps due to the chance emps is really taking this on a personal level while teacher seems more analytic about his scum behavior.

[Selynee]

You are trying to give reads on people based on potential teams which is not very helpful right now given that mafia we don't have any confirmed mafia and they could be on sring each other just as well as defending each other. A bit like planning what you are going to do with a promotion when you are called in your boss's office.

Menalque- doesn't seem trollish. What exact analysis did you like?

Sushi- trying not to end the day too soon can come from both town or more cautious mafia.

Teacher- What exactly you mean by analytic.

[Farkran]

You are trying to give reads on people based on potential teams which is not very helpful right now given that mafia we don't have any confirmed mafia and they could be on sring each other just as well as defending each other. A bit like planning what you are going to do with a promotion when you are called in your boss's office.

This kind of reasoning is what is leading me to think you're either sus or play a different game than me - why would you hide your thoughts and avoid prodding people to talk is beyond me. Leaning towards you using a different strategy, because i understand this is customary in this site, but seriously try to open your mind to a gameplay different than your instructions manual. Knowing each other from past games and basing your claims on respectful friendship is getting us nowhere.

[quote="In post 383
Menalque- doesn't seem trollish. What exact analysis did you like?
[/quote]

post 336, post 181, his questioning about NMSA and mostly impartial readings on everyone, strongly townlike.

[quote="In post 383
Teacher- What exactly you mean by analytic.
[/quote]

I'm saying that, contrary to emps's passionate and desperate aggression towards me which may come from paranoid/angered town, teacher is continuously providing scumtells without being emotional about them. Extremely scumlike to me. I would play the exact same way as he did if i were scum surrounded by newbie towns, regardless whether the strong association between he and emps is real or just in my imagination.

[Farkran]

Aw, i screwed up forum syntax. It's still understandable though, i guess.

[EpicCreeper9002]

yeah I'm confident on creeper scum now.

i dunno i could buy creeper/fark as the gamesolve but that feels wayy too easy

Here’s my issue w the wagon right now: fark has been put on L-1 twice (five votes, as skitter replaced sushi). I know I’m town and I lean heavily that way on spammy. So unless we are saying the team is exactly creeper-fark, farks likely a Mislynch.

Skit- talk to me about Menalque because I melded w you a bit there. I disagreed w the early townread on darque and his reads (there, emps) have seemed a little swingy. The meld was strong on the 180-220 bit of reaching to scumread spam after what was to me an extremely towny reaction test - like Nigeria at the player Nd looking for a rationale.

I’m not saying that’s not the team btw. But if people are inclined there, I think the higher value play is to lynch creeper.

UNVOTE: Menalque
VOTE: creeper

it should be mentioned Fark is at L-1

What exactly made all of this happen? I know it's probably something in my previous post, but what?

[Selynee]

It wasn't about hiding your thoughts or not making people talk, it was about analysing each people individually being more productive at least till we have a confirm mafia.

Anyway.

Menalque- I agree, 181 brings a good point. 336 is plausible but don't see it as a read that could only come from town.

Tone? Tbh, I've read it more like somewhat sarcastic and assertive than passionate but not an expert of reading it even IRL.

[emps]

how am i being very reachy?

[Selynee]

Epic, what happened between 309 and 346? Talking about your read on emps? Like walk us on what exactly you didn't like in emps's responses and what makes you still think they are town?

[EpicCreeper9002]

Me lynching emps was me doing a reaction test because that's one of the things I actually know how to do (or maybe not.) His reaction is normal and he's showing just the right level of aggression towards Farkran. Less and it would be scum looking like they don't know who's town already, more and it would be over the top.

[Selynee]

Why decided on doing a reaction test on emps (as opposed to another player)? Also, the argument between Farkran and emps was already happening at that time...how was their reaction to your vote town as opposed to mafia?

[Farkran]

how am i being very reachy?

I guess you didn't even notice that you are doing everything in your power to get me dead since several pages now. I understand your heart is screaming "please lynch farkran, i can't stand him anymore" but that's just you being passionate about it - and one of my best talent is getting on people's nerves, especially effective on newbie/semi-expert townies who strongly believe other town players are inept and don't have a clue what they're doing. You fall perfectly into this category. However, you are also failing to notice teacher buddying blindly with you and i bet you're all "oh thank god there's someone who understands me, we can win this".

i'm speaking to everyone now

I hope you have noticed teacher's post 358 and post 368. Quoted for reference:

Here’s my issue w the wagon right now: fark has been put on L-1 twice (five votes, as skitter replaced sushi). I know I’m town and I lean heavily that way on spammy. So unless we are saying the team is exactly creeper-fark,

farks likely a Mislynch.

Eh, knowing the wagon comp and timing now, I like it more. Thanks for that emps.

VOTE: Fark.

Thats L-1, folks.

You can see him changing his mind, blindly following emps's passionate reasoning, exactly two posts after declaring he wouldn't - his explanation for this action does not hold any water since i have been under pressure all the time so far. Both of them were being really active during that timeframe, signaling a possible hidden planning in-between. They have also been providing townread claims of each other from post 266 to 289 (see 266, 275, 289) simply by focusing their comments on me and mostly ignoring everyone else, sometimes actually providing unrequested defense for accused people. At this point, my bet is that teacher is either buddying with emps or they're an actual scum team.

Mark my words here. If i die today, look forward to emps spitting in-game insults to me for being newbie town playing poorly and trying to clear himself up d2. Classic mafia play around newbies which can then be exploited as an excuse to fall silent due to "giving up" or "chilling down to re-evaluate" when actually laughing in their private forums on a job well done. Please pay attention to facts, not just words, and keep those guys on pressure.

I feel like there's nothing more to add on this topic, insisting would only be detrimental to the town. At this point, i would be ok with hammering teacher in order to confirm or clear my line of thoughts. I bet they would say the same about me+creeper or me+nmsa, which is ok to me. I'm going to drop this bone until we're ready to close today's case.

That being said, i'm willing to reset my mindset on the day at hand and explore other possibilities. I believe creeper is a honest foreigner newbie just as i am and that we are just mind melding in this situation due to coming from similar worlds, but i cannot overlook the fact that he's trying to buddy with me being the prime lynch candidate. Sushi is doing kinda the same but performing way better, so he has been off my radar so far - which would be an awesome mafia play. I am willing to explore the "Sushi is mafia" route, with creeper OR Menalque as likely teammates.

Thoughts?

[EpicCreeper9002]

With all of the reading into things everyone else was doing, I just wanted to do something to help. emps was sort of a random decision, he was one of the people who was active at the time so I'd get a quick result.

As for the reaction being town, I don't know, it's just a gut feeling I guess. But even though I think emps is town based on his reaction, other people can judge differently if they want to - the test isn't just for me, it's for everyone.

[EpicCreeper9002]

With all of the reading into things everyone else was doing, I just wanted to do something to help. emps was sort of a random decision, he was one of the people who was active at the time so I'd get a quick result.

As for the reaction being town, I don't know, it's just a gut feeling I guess. But even though I think emps is town based on his reaction, other people can judge differently if they want to - the test isn't just for me, it's for everyone.


Oh cool, there's an anti-ninja feature!
Nice catch by Farkran on teacher. I just have to point out that the quote from post 358 now says post 385?

[Farkran]

I mistyped, post is #358. It's quoted correctly if you click it.

[EpicCreeper9002]

Isn't that part done automatically? It's in a quote...

[Farkran]

If you use the quote button, yes. I wrote the quote syntax manually.

[Sushi Martyr]

I think Farkran is town. His explanation of pushing people in an effort to provoke discussion matches up pretty well with his actions so far, and I like that he's standing by the things he's said and his reasons for saying them as opposed to waffling under pressure.

I need to go back and read over things in more depth, I know I was kind of lazy in terms of analyzing stuff yesterday.

[Menalque]

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