Mini 2096: I Don't Remember the Name of This Game

[Karnage]

Official Vote Count

Menalque

(5): mastina, GreyICE, rosterfoster, Menalque, Karnage

Lil Uzi Vert

(2): The Fonz, Gamma Emerald

cyrus62

(2): Jackal711, Doctor Drew

Doctor Drew

(1): Baezu

rosterfoster

(1): cyrus62

Jackal711

(1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-08-28 23:37:49)
Jackal711 has requested replacement.

@mod, i think menalque is voting LUV

[Gamma Emerald]

That's why manual VCs will always be the best option

[cyrus62]

i honestly think doctor and roster are scum if not both one of them is.

I am not gonna dismiss the possibility of a scum roster, but there is nothing I see now that points to it.

And I already asked you, but what your opinion on LUV and Menalque?

luv is a very possable scum bad votes lack of content but i have seen some prs don't post a lot . menaque is looking for scum i think.

[cyrus62]

Menalque is at l2 so no one vote him with out given him a chance to defend.

[cyrus62]

@mastina can you e state your case on Menalque

[Doctor Drew]

Menalque is at l2 so no one vote him with out given him a chance to defend.

L-2 is nothing, and it seems he is at L-3 anyways.

VOTE: Menalque

Ok, now you are correct.

[momo]

Official Vote Count

Menalque

(4): mastina, GreyICE, rosterfoster, Karnage

Lil Uzi Vert

(3): The Fonz, Gamma Emerald, Menalque

cyrus62

(2): Jackal711, Doctor Drew

Doctor Drew

(1): Baezu

rosterfoster

(1): cyrus62

Jackal711

(1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-08-28 23:37:49)
Jackal711 has requested replacement.

Fixed

[Karnage]

If/when Menalque gets to L-1, would there be any point to asking for a claim? don't we (town) all have the same role PM?

[The Fonz]

LUV, he makes a good point. Why do that and just leave when eventually someone would point it out. Either he is terrible at being scum, or he is a convenient wagon. Though I would appreciate him actually answering my question is asked in rvs haha.

Eh, I don't buy that it would definitely get pointed out. After all, I was the only one to do so. This defense: "Why would I/he do it as scum, it's gonna get called out" is WIFOM and basically saying Too Scummy to be Scum.

In terms of the stated town motivation for the vote, let's look at it. The idea that saying you can't explain your vote is scummy. It's ludicrous. Saying you can't explain generally means one of the following:

1) Ongoing game meta. Literally against the rules to explain.
2) Secret scumtell. I think secret scumtulls are kinda bull, but not scummy. Players who have them generally don't divulge them under mild pressure.
3) Role information. Actively bad to try to force these players to elaborate.

So how the effing eff is it protown to place a vote on a player well on his way to flaking out of the game to draw reactions, when those reactions if they even occur are likely to be null at best? Don't even get me started on the scumderp OMGUS of "Trying to infer the reasoning behind my unexplained vote is scummy."

(I'm catching up the last few pages, this may or may not turn into a post blizzard).

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I didn’t vote Jackal for his inactivity and assuming I did is pretty scummy.

Pahahahaha! This so bull.
Alright then, what's so scummy about Jackal's one post?

No your vote is bull.

There’s no reason for me as scum to draw attention to myself there by voting Jackal. I wasn’t on a single persons radar so I could’ve happily just continued to lurk and sit on the Baezu wagon. I could have also just joined one of the more of the popular growing wagons in Mena.

How about you answer my question first young man. Not very quake to use that sort of tone with me either.

All I can gather from this cheeky response is that you’re playing in a way that’s going enable to scum to just sheep you without any questions asked.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV, he makes a good point. Why do that and just leave when eventually someone would point it out. Either he is terrible at being scum, or he is a convenient wagon. Though I would appreciate him actually answering my question is asked in rvs haha.

Eh, I don't buy that it would definitely get pointed out. After all, I was the only one to do so. This defense: "Why would I/he do it as scum, it's gonna get called out" is WIFOM and basically saying Too Scummy to be Scum.

In terms of the stated town motivation for the vote, let's look at it. The idea that saying you can't explain your vote is scummy. It's ludicrous. Saying you can't explain generally means one of the following:

1) Ongoing game meta. Literally against the rules to explain.
2) Secret scumtell. I think secret scumtulls are kinda bull, but not scummy. Players who have them generally don't divulge them under mild pressure.
3) Role information. Actively bad to try to force these players to elaborate.

So how the effing eff is it protown to place a vote on a player well on his way to flaking out of the game to draw reactions, when those reactions if they even occur are likely to be null at best? Don't even get me started on the scumderp OMGUS of "Trying to infer the reasoning behind my unexplained vote is scummy."

(I'm catching up the last few pages, this may or may not turn into a post blizzard).

The fact is, on some level, every single judgment on every facet of a player's behavior, meta, and past, present, and future actions can be construed as wine in one way or another. Just because it's wine doesn't mean that the poison doesn't end up being in one of the glasses, and just because it's wine doesn't invalidate the argument.

I think you’re giving too much credit to an unexplained vote at that juncture. Votes of that matter, at that stage, boil down to gut as far as I know. So I’m not sure what you mean by ongoing meta as meta is an agreed upon consensus on how a player plays and I highly doubt that Jackal had a super secret scum tell on Cyrus either due to a clear lack of familiarly.

At the time of my vote, there was no way to know Jackal was on his way to flaking out. I’m having serious trouble seeing how you think these reactions are null. People now have a better read on me because of it and now I can read those currently voting me better.

You did not infer. You assumed. It’s not like Jackal vote was naked. He gave a reasoning for his vote which I later explain was the reason I decided to vote for him. For you to have inferred, you would have considered that. You also would have done some homework on me and realize that I don’t vote chronic lurkers as scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

UNVOTE:

[GreyICE]

okay i have a confession im not sure how much i believe in a wagon with karnage, mastina, and doctor drew on it.
and it does appear that jackal is flaking out based on his last post so yeah luvs vote is meh.
while luv wagon has gamma, fonz... and menalque bringing the most survivalistic vote ive seen in a while. while raw survivalism isn't necessarily scum its pretty fucking scummy the way he did it.

pope gamma, does your holiness think that luv is really the play over menalque here?

[Karnage]

You want to get off the menalque wagon because of who else is on it. I get that, I guess.

But you are reaching out to gamma, who is in total IDGAF mode for guidance? What is that about?

[GreyICE]

lets see. what alignment do you think gamma is, karnage?

[Karnage]

lets see. what alignment do you think gamma is, karnage?

Just because he is IC doesn’t mean he isn’t mailing it in right now

[GreyICE]

i don't give a fuck if he's mailing it in you scumbag
i need 6 other townies working with me or the lynch is controlled by scum
i don't like scum controlling their own bladder function nevermind the lynch

if i'm not working with the one person in this game besides myself that im CERTAIN is town then im not doing anything useful
what, are you worried he's on to something with the luv vote?

[Karnage]

Geez why so angry?

No I don’t really care about LUV. I don’t think there was anything wrong with his vote either so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Serious question: Do you think I’m scum?

[GreyICE]

youll know when im angry
where id rank you if you gave me unlimited vig shots is somewhere around 4th most deserving of bullets
are you worried?

[Karnage]

Would you have to ask gamma if it’s ok first?

[Karnage]

Sorry now I’m just be antagonistic. I just couldn’t help myself

[Karnage]

No I don’t really care about LUV. I don’t think there was anything wrong with his vote either so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

His unvote was weak though

[GreyICE]

of course not. i don't need town to help me in order to pull the trigger
no matter how right or wrong i am i can't lynch scum without town's help

[Karnage]

394 was meant as a joke

[rosterfoster]

Hey Ice is there anyone that you actually scumread? You can work with me <3