Mini 2096: I Don't Remember the Name of This Game

[GreyICE]

there is however a deeper meaning there
if youre town, how do you plan to get the help of the town to get a scumlynch through? or do you plan to rely on scum helping you lynch?

- do you want to join wagons with other town players on targets you feel deserving?
- do you want to push wagons and get other townies to join you?
- do you want to become so universally recognized as a high quality player that you're a trend setter and people give weight to your words with no effort on your part?

the last one is what everyone wants and almost no one gets. so if that's hopeless, pick one of the above two.
if you're scum, keep on keeping on

[GreyICE]

Hey Ice is there anyone that you actually scumread? You can work with me <3

menalque, karnage
i have a sneaking suspicion that cyrus always comes off scummy so the fact he's coming off scummy here doesn't worry me as much as it otherwise might
luv is solidly in the 'hasn't done much' category so isn't a bad vote at all. plus a strong town read and confirmed town are on the wagon, so that's always nice. if you can't lynch a strong scumread, lynching a null read a strong player you're townreading thinks is scum is not a bad backup plan

mind you it's not that everyone not listed is guaranteed town, but that i don't have a strong scum feeling about them

is there someone in particular you want me to look at?

[rosterfoster]

The "Also if I didn’t do it already" looks like he's trying to make his vote retroactive, like it should have already been in place.

This kind of pinged my scumdar when I first saw it, but I thought I was being a bit loco.

What is it about Karnage for you?

[Karnage]

there is however a deeper meaning there
if youre town, how do you plan to get the help of the town to get a scumlynch through? or do you plan to rely on scum helping you lynch?

- do you want to join wagons with other town players on targets you feel deserving?
- do you want to push wagons and get other townies to join you?
- do you want to become so universally recognized as a high quality player that you're a trend setter and people give weight to your words with no effort on your part?

the last one is what everyone wants and almost no one gets. so if that's hopeless, pick one of the above two.
if you're scum, keep on keeping on

I join/start wagons of/on the people I think are scum and I'll take whoever wants to go with me. I'm not opposed to scum helping lynching scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn’t vote Jackal for his inactivity and assuming I did is pretty scummy.

Pahahahaha! This so bull.
Alright then, what's so scummy about Jackal's one post?

No your vote is bull.

There’s no reason for me as scum to draw attention to myself there by voting Jackal. I wasn’t on a single persons radar so I could’ve happily just continued to lurk and sit on the Baezu wagon. I could have also just joined one of the more of the popular growing wagons in Mena.

How about you answer my question first young man. Not very quake to use that sort of tone with me either.

All I can gather from this cheeky response is that you’re playing in a way that’s going enable to scum to just sheep you without any questions asked.

Answer the question.

[Karnage]

The "Also if I didn’t do it already" looks like he's trying to make his vote retroactive, like it should have already been in place.

This kind of pinged my scumdar when I first saw it, but I thought I was being a bit loco.

What is it about Karnage for you?

If I had to guess he thinks I’m scum because of 80 and because I don’t recognize him as a high quality player that’s a trend setter and that people give weight to his words with no effort on his part

[Gamma Emerald]

He gave a reasoning for his vote which I later explain was the reason I decided to vote for him.

Hmmm...

[Gamma Emerald]

okay i have a confession im not sure how much i believe in a wagon with karnage, mastina, and doctor drew on it.
and it does appear that jackal is flaking out based on his last post so yeah luvs vote is meh.
while luv wagon has gamma, fonz... and menalque bringing the most survivalistic vote ive seen in a while. while raw survivalism isn't necessarily scum its pretty fucking scummy the way he did it.

pope gamma, does your holiness think that luv is really the play over menalque here?

Maybe. I recall liking the case on Menalque.

[Gamma Emerald]

Probably-not-hot take: Karnage is scummy for being so defensive

[Karnage]

Defensive? No
Offensive? Maybe

[cyrus62]

Spoiler:

Defensive? No
Offensive? Maybe

hey mate i get you but roster is anti town at best . scum at worse so do not trust roster .

[Gamma Emerald]

Defensive? No
Offensive? Maybe

Maybe that's the wrong word but you seem extremely volatile and reactionary here

[Karnage]

Defensive? No
Offensive? Maybe

Maybe that's the wrong word but you seem extremely volatile and reactionary here

I wouldn’t agree with that choice of words either

[Doctor Drew]

Grey, I agree with you that following Gamma is the right move since he is the only person we know is coming from a town mindset.

But, not sure why you are tentative to join a wagon just because of people on it if you feel said target is scummy. You can sort out potential scum on the wagon after the fact.

Pre edit: I will say I am not a fan of Karnage though.

[GreyICE]

I join/start wagons of/on the people I think are scum and I'll take whoever wants to go with me. I'm not opposed to scum helping lynching scum.

Neither am I. But scum are clearly opposed to it. So if you're not working with town, you're letting scum decide to bus or not. That means you're just their tool. They can use you how you please. They can support wagons when you're on town, and either strategically bus or strand you without support when you're on scum. So you have to ask yourself "is Karnage a tool?"

You can answer that by checking how often you survive to LyLo, especially when you don't have a meaningful power role. If you keep surviving to LyLo, that means that there's a number of scumteams who think you're their tool.

[GreyICE]

Grey, I agree with you that following Gamma is the right move since he is the only person we know is coming from a town mindset.

But, not sure why you are tentative to join a wagon just because of people on it if you feel said target is scummy. You can sort out potential scum on the wagon after the fact.

Pre edit: I will say I am not a fan of Karnage though.

Lets see. We have a wacky game where no one knows their roles, no one knows what power we have, and no one knows what is happening (except potentially scum). So today is the only day where they could lynch anyone, regardless of power roles. Cops, Masons, Doctors, no claim (except IC) is immune to lynching, because no claims are going to exist.

In addition, this is a 12 player game, a count already unfavorable to lynching scum.

Do I think scum are happily bussing today? If they're blithering idiots, sure. I'm not saying I'm going to discount the possibility they're hopping on the wagon of a particularly shit scumteam member to avoid being obvious, but at the same time I don't expect it. It's not optimal play. Most scumteams play what they believe is optimally, and invent reasons to be doing what they're doing. In general, that's smart mafia, because in general optimal play is more rewarding than suboptimal play (that's why its optimal).

[GreyICE]

okay i have a confession im not sure how much i believe in a wagon with karnage, mastina, and doctor drew on it.
and it does appear that jackal is flaking out based on his last post so yeah luvs vote is meh.
while luv wagon has gamma, fonz... and menalque bringing the most survivalistic vote ive seen in a while. while raw survivalism isn't necessarily scum its pretty fucking scummy the way he did it.

pope gamma, does your holiness think that luv is really the play over menalque here?

Maybe. I recall liking the case on Menalque.

Okay. I'm fine where I am for now. Menalque's "it's too early to hammer!" shit was pretty sad. Does he expect he'll get a new role PM if we wait long enough?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well there is obviously a mechanic in place for people to regain their memories, so maybe?

[Menalque]

okay i have a confession im not sure how much i believe in a wagon with karnage, mastina, and doctor drew on it.
and it does appear that jackal is flaking out based on his last post so yeah luvs vote is meh.
while luv wagon has gamma, fonz... and menalque bringing the most survivalistic vote ive seen in a while. while raw survivalism isn't necessarily scum its pretty fucking scummy the way he did it.

pope gamma, does your holiness think that luv is really the play over menalque here?

Maybe. I recall liking the case on Menalque.

Okay. I'm fine where I am for now. Menalque's "it's too early to hammer!" shit was pretty sad. Does he expect he'll get a new role PM if we wait long enough?

no, I expect to actually have time to go through the game and look for scum if y'all aren't dumb enough to hammer me in the meantime

[Karnage]

no, I expect to actually have time to go through the game and look for scum if y'all aren't dumb enough to hammer me in the meantime

... he said in his 59th post of the game

[Menalque]

so I've been shitposting? just because I'm present doesn't mean I'm scum hunting but just cause I'm not scum hunting doesn't mean I'm scum

sometimes it takes me a while to gear up before I get motivated to trawl bc I find it easier to read through once things are established rather than as they're unfolding

look at my purge game -- shitposted and semi-SR egduf for most of D1 only to go back through and catch icon!scum from the reread

[GreyICE]

[quote="In post 418, Menalque"no, I expect to actually have time to go through the game and look for scum if y'all aren't dumb enough to hammer me in the meantime[/quote]

I dunno, I mean I'm pretty stupid. I could be convinced to sell someone on being stupid with me.

[Menalque]

I just find it weird for town to be pushing this to go ahead before I do it

if I'm scum then it gives you better potential for catching partners off associationals

if I'm town then I potentially find scum and we lynch them instead, or you keep being dumb, I get mislynched, and you hopefully lynch them tomorrow

[Menalque]

but I literally don't see the town motivation in trying to drive me through when I'm just straight up busy, and have been busy due to starting a new job and going to one of my best mates' wedding

[Menalque]

not to mention that I think apart from one game, I haven't managed to talk any strong players off scum!me but I have managed to as town!me

so if you have faith in your ability to read then why not just wait instead of trying to force a mislynch, unless you're scum