Mini 2096: I Don't Remember the Name of This Game

[GreyICE]

Also, especially when the town meta is to put in less effort. "Oh, people think I troll, don't pay attention, and generally suck when I'm town? And I just have to replicate this to get townread? Easy game, easy life."

I can't work out a single piece of logic Menalque has used this game outside of:
- people who scumread him are scum
- viable counterwagons are scum
- he doesn't do shit so we definitely couldn't lynch him, that'd be unfair

[Gamma Emerald]

Meta isn't perfect but it

can

work

On MORONS. If anyone has more self-awareness than an avacado, they will adjust their scum meta to fit their town meta. That is, after all, the point of the game. Most "meta" tells are either lazy scum excuses, or town finding exactly what they thought they were going to find, a Rorschach test where a failure of result is blamed on the player using meta, and not the entire process being little better than a Tarot card reading. "Looks like death inverted, the 7 of cups, and the 3 of wands, Menalque is either scum, or he's contracted a nasty fungus in his crotch".

Look, I'm not fond of Menalque's play, but I'm not going to dismiss him as an empty-headed buffoon with the IQ of lukewarm water.

I think Cyrus' take might be the more accurate one sadly.

I think you underestimate the impact of the subconscious. You can be self aware and still slip into a meta pattern, which has happened with me many times, I feel. That's why Creature is generally considered an easy read (fyi people call his better scum games reason to throw out his meta but people who do that are surface level meta readers, he has deeper trends that he has more trouble manipulating). To expound on myself, one of the people who taught me a lot about the game and myself as a player is Infinity324. There is a sequence of 3 games in which I was scum against him (he might have been scum on another team in the first game but the point is we were not with each other). In each of them I froze up pretty badly at some point. Infinity pointed this out the second game, and despite being aware of it I let it happen again in the third game.

[GreyICE]

I think it's much easier to read motivational tells. Things like playing scum is generally higher anxiety than playing town is a general note for most players (minus some highly experienced players) and no matter how people play it off anxiety is possible to detect. It's not really meta - there's a large group of people looking for you specifically, and it'll be bad if they find you. Even in the context of a game it's anxiety inducing. So saying "I had an anxiety-related reaction as scum" is not really meta. Anxiety is scummy, and you do have to get a sense of players general baseline levels of anxiety before you judge whether they're unusually anxious, but things like "X always does N when they're town" is just silly levels of specific that are trivial to replicate.

There's things about people's personalities you can take into account - Fonzie is always going to try to lynch lurkers, Mastina is going to derp about the place making wall posts and generally demanding attention, etc. And deviations from that pattern should be noted, and probed - but it's not a guarantee either. I'm rather notorious for wagoning every fucking mason in the world (except Katsuki) because masons almost always read as scum to me. Something about thoughts being hidden away inside a QT, having your thoughts influenced by someone else, and having a sekret reason to read someone a certain way sets off all the flags for me.

[rosterfoster]

You da real VP

[GreyICE]

Anyway, if you really throw some effort behind it, you can probably sell me on the Uzi wagon (being confirmed town is always a great start), but this lukewarm "it seems good, I guess" is honestly about where I'm at with it. It seems good, I guess. I mean Uzi legitimately hasn't done much, he legitimately hasn't made brilliant response (that was going to be responses, but then I realized how little he was posting) so it's not a bad spot for a vote. I just don't know if it's a good one. It's not like he's unusually avoiding this thread, his activity level is just low sitewide so if we're saying Jackal isn't scum because they flaked sitewide, Uzi isn't scum because of low activity level sitewide. On the other hand, I could wish that activity was better.

Menalque just seems scummier overall to me.

[cyrus62]

Spoiler:

Anyway, if you really throw some effort behind it, you can probably sell me on the Uzi wagon (being confirmed town is always a great start), but this lukewarm "it seems good, I guess" is honestly about where I'm at with it. It seems good, I guess. I mean Uzi legitimately hasn't done much, he legitimately hasn't made brilliant response (that was going to be responses, but then I realized how little he was posting) so it's not a bad spot for a vote. I just don't know if it's a good one. It's not like he's unusually avoiding this thread, his activity level is just low sitewide so if we're saying Jackal isn't scum because they flaked sitewide, Uzi isn't scum because of low activity level sitewide. On the other hand, I could wish that activity was better.

Menalque just seems scummier overall to me.

also going by meta if we have to go by that on one of his scum games he said i will say so and so is lynch bait. in this game he said i was lynch bait. so going by meta that was what he said as scum.

[GreyICE]

did he happen to post in english in that scumgame?

[GreyICE]

you know it occurred to me you have a dry sense of humor and im going to have to reread with that in mind

[cyrus62]

you know it occurred to me you have a dry sense of humor and im going to have to reread with that in mind

i don't type with grammar in mind i post as if i was talking to you in person but yes i did show this already in this game.

[cyrus62]

I just think we can sort Cyrus later so there’s no need to pressure what is inevitably going to be mislynch bait atm

Post Post #38 (isolation #5) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:28 pm
I’m gonna hard push the gamma slot a bit later, I’m also gonna call EP mislynch bait in a more general readslist unless you think that’s a bad move

both by menalque

at ice for meta reads . if we have to go by it.

[Almost50]

Am I cleared to post? You haven't announced it in thread and you haven't edited the replacement request either. You haven't even opened the confirmation PM

[Almost50]

^@Mod:

[Karnage]

I think we need a prod on the mod

[Gamma Emerald]

Interestingly I think this behavior makes A50 town

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I s2g if momo flakes...

[momo]

Almost50 replaces Jackal711. My apologies for the delay. Internet is spotty where I am now. Vote count incoming.

[momo]

Official Vote Count

Menalque

(5): mastina, GreyICE, rosterfoster, Karnage, Doctor Drew

Lil Uzi Vert

(4): The Fonz, Gamma Emerald, Menalque, Baezu

cyrus62

(1): Almost50

rosterfoster

(1): cyrus62

Not Voting

(1): Lil Uzi Vert

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-08-28 23:38:21)

[GreyICE]

Interestingly I think this behavior makes A50 town

Eagerness can be town, but also is stupidly easy to fake. I'll wait for more content.

That being said, the spot is a literal empty shell in the shape of a mafia player, so has a roughly 75% chance to be town.

[Karnage]

12 players - town!Gamma - 3p!Mastina - town!karnage - town!greyIce= 8 players

assuming 6 town slots 6/8=.75 or 75%

the math checks out

[rosterfoster]

@Cyrus/A50: Can you think about the main wagons at the moment (AKA Menalque and LUV)?

[Almost50]

FINALLY! I'll do a quick catch up shortly

[Doctor Drew]

@Cyrus/A50: Can you think about the main wagons at the moment (AKA Menalque and LUV)?

Maybe I am crazy, but you seem really focused on pushing Cyrus' meta as a reason for him being town and really trying to guide him.

I honestly don't know what to make of it, it just sticks out to me so I am bringing it up.

[Doctor Drew]

And, sticks out that Grey Ice rages when meta is brought up.....but hasn't called you out on it.

[Almost50]

I am pretty sure I'd be enjoying this game if I wasn't a 3P who doesn't know my wincon and thus has no clue if claiming is okay or is a death sentence and who has no clue if I can win with the town or not.

But.

I am a 3P who doesn't know my wincon and thus has no clue if claiming is okay or is a death sentence and who has no clue if I can win with the town or not, so.

Not gonna lie. I skimmed a little yesterday so I know what's coming regarding this, and I think this is a NAI move from you. Like, I can see it being a sincere truthful claim, yet I can see it coming from either town or scum you for various reasons.

That said, I am not gonna push a 3P claim on D1 for the lynch. I don't usually have a problem with benign 3P roles.. just with the anti-town 3P (like SK; obviously).

[GreyICE]

And, sticks out that Grey Ice rages when meta is brought up.....but hasn't called you out on it.

If I called out every person in this town for doing stupid shit I'd have a novel thicker than your dick.