Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[Farkran]

Speaking of teams, @emps @teacher who do you see me teaming up with if i am scum? Think carefully.

At this point I honestly don’t care. Someone who swaps onto a town PR after townreading them most of the game can go. preflip associatives are crap.

Lol ok, you entered the tunnel too, not worth pursuing this argument again until reason makes its way back or you actually flip scum (still very much likely). Newbie logic even as scum in my eyes though, you may want to reconsider for your next game after you see the outcome of this one.

[Farkran]

@Farkran- Not rushing to hammer D1 is very possible- maybe mafia are just more cautious or don't trust themselves for one of them to be in the spotlight D2 and so on.
To be fair, you actually didn't say you have a scum read on Menalque or explain it till now.

I don't see much of a defence there...their scumreads at this point are basically based on an assumption on the bandwagons. And Emps on tunnelling (if still actual). Also, they never actually explained the strange scumread on NMSA at that point. You are right about forgetting about you.

Menalque's latest post is typical "i'm scum and i don't know what to say" behavior to me. I didn't have a scumread on Menalque so far and i am still reluctant to read him as scum due to teacher likely being town in that scenario, but man dat defense post is

bad

. If i switch pov on him i could say that his intent is genuine and he was being newbcautious on me due to following this site's instructions manual - which makes absolutely ZERO SENSE in a game where wifom is king and the only thing that matters is being a step ahead of your enemy. This would be enough to explain his crappy defense post and cancel my previous townread of him. On the plus side, we're getting full info from his lynch which is enough in my eyes to get him today if we can't get teacher.

How do you read the townlean on Skitter while also saying they wouldn't push her as scum D1?

Honestly i don't know, menalque actually had never seriously read skitter before his defense post. He just went like "skitter is always town whatever" which i read as "i don't care to analyze because i know for sure, i'm scum and i'm afraid of her so let's start a buddying attempt real quick".

[NotMySpamAccount]

I'm feelibg confident on Menalque-Creeper as the solve rn.

Protip: you shouldn’t be

show me that you're town then.

[NotMySpamAccount]

if you care to help me @selynee @skitter @emps @nmsa @menalque please tell me why you are so strong on teacher being town because it doesn't make any sense to me.

as far as i'm aware, he's still sortable by post count

lol

[NotMySpamAccount]

yeah I'm confident on creeper scum now.

i dunno i could buy creeper/fark as the gamesolve but that feels wayy too easy

Here’s my issue w the wagon right now: fark has been put on L-1 twice (five votes, as skitter replaced sushi). I know I’m town and I lean heavily that way on spammy. So unless we are saying the team is exactly creeper-fark, farks likely a Mislynch.

Skit- talk to me about Menalque because I melded w you a bit there. I disagreed w the early townread on darque and his reads (there, emps) have seemed a little swingy. The meld was strong on the 180-220 bit of reaching to scumread spam after what was to me an extremely towny reaction test - like Nigeria at the player Nd looking for a rationale.

I’m not saying that’s not the team btw. But if people are inclined there, I think the higher value play is to lynch creeper.

UNVOTE: Menalque
VOTE: creeper

it should be mentioned Fark is at L-1

What exactly made all of this happen? I know it's probably something in my previous post, but what?

at the time i felt like the reaction test was the fakest shit ever and i felt like it was an excuse to back out of the SR on me

(: mind meld

[NotMySpamAccount]

Fark doesn't die today. He's almost certainly newbtown. Creeper is the best lynch. I'm willing to reconsider on Menalque, but Creeper is almost certainly scum.

VOTE: Creeper

[emps]

Newbie logic even as scum in my eyes though, you may want to reconsider for your next game after you see the outcome of this one.

teacher is an SE with like 20ish completed games how is he a newbie

[emps]

Fark doesn't die today. He's almost certainly newbtown.

not mind meld

[emps]

Menalque's latest post is typical "i'm scum and i don't know what to say" behavior to me.

does creeper not read like the same exact thing to you?

[emps]

full info from his lynch

the best info lynch is creeper tbh

if ur going to lynch for info, it def shouldnt be mena

[emps]

you entered the tunnel too

"anyone with a scumread on me is tunneling!11!!!111!!"

pal you need a better defense then that

[emps]

Also, they never actually explained the strange scumread on NMSA at that point

wait, who is "they" referring to?

[emps]

. I didn't have a scumread on Menalque so far and i am still reluctant to read him as scum

"not so sure hes scum whatever fuck it *votes mena* L-1"

[emps]

I don't find Creeper scummy at this point despite his TRing Farkran btw, he's still in null territory for me.

bad post

[emps]

Selynee hasn't posted much, but I like the posts she's made.

good post

[emps]

The reaction test was semi-spicy but I don't know how I feel about it yet.

do u have an opinion on the "reaction test" now?

[emps]

Ah, screw it.

@ NMSA: What's your read on me?

Also, is it scummy to ask what your read on me is?

this is p self concious imo


not asking for someones read on you, but more the reluctance to do so

[emps]

also, what teacher did to "defend" skitter is completely fair and i wouldve done it if i saw the "hiding behind vla" thing (i didnt until recently cuz i was on mobile earlier)

being vla isnt scummy, and

i think teachers reaction is actually townie.

(emphasis mine)

Really? I don't think his reaction was scummy, but I don't think it was townie either. This whole argument about Skitter being on V/LA and everyone's possible reads of her

despite her only having made one post

just feels like NAI semantic squabbling to me.

dont like this, i was mentioning teachers general tone/emotion not really the defense on skitter or even the V/LA thing

[emps]

@Farkran: Quick clarification thing, when you say someone's moving down in your suspects list, does that mean you find them more or less suspicious than you did before?

doubt that fark/sushi is a scumteam tho

[Farkran]

teacher is an SE with like 20ish completed games how is he a newbie

Newbie logic != Newbie player. Perhaps he just didn't catch up on this setup or isn't accustomed to play with/against different mindsets. He may be a good player in this environment but if you stop using brains whenever people don't do what you expect, it's newbie logic. That also applies to you, my advice is to start understanding other people povs before asserting so much.

I currently have a fair townread on you because from your pov you see me playing like shit so you tunneled but you're likely angered town. Skitter realized she was tunneling on me, likely tried to understand my pov and switched. Teacher wasn't tunneling until last posts, now he's tunneling harshly which does not make any sense to me.

[emps]

i dont know how to feel abt skitter backing out

Backing out of what?

fark lynch

[Farkran]

. I didn't have a scumread on Menalque so far and i am still reluctant to read him as scum

"not so sure hes scum whatever fuck it *votes mena* L-1"

Read my 576 or don't even talk to me lol it's pointless if you ignore my arguments

[emps]

Teacher wasn't tunneling until last posts, now he's tunneling harshly which does not make any sense to me.

tunneling = maintaining ur scumread and pushing it for a long time

if its recent its not really a "harsh tunnel"

his progression on you is natural imo and it makes sense to me

[emps]

. I didn't have a scumread on Menalque so far and i am still reluctant to read him as scum

"not so sure hes scum whatever fuck it *votes mena* L-1"

Read my 576 or don't even talk to me lol it's pointless if you ignore my arguments

i did, and i replied to it.

[emps]

matter of fact that quote is from 576 smh