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[Alisae]

This game just gave me a nosebleed. Hope yall happy with yourselves.

not sure how that's the game's fault

[Datisi]

What's your readslist rn?

[Alisae]

What's your readslist rn?

gimmie a bit im tryharding how has yours progressed?

[Datisi]

Alisae - either you're playing some convoluted long con or you're Town, you had a perfect opportunity to jump onto my wagon
Billy, Klick, A50
Tchill
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Emperor - Icon is also around here somewhere but I don't know what to make of him rn
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Luca

[Alisae]

I'm kind of more interested in what changed from your previous reads then what the reads actually are if that makes sense

[Datisi]

Uhhhhh
Your slot is not on the top of the list
Billy fell down a lil bit, but we'll see about that
still think Klick and A50 are Town but would like them to contribute more
Being a bit more suspicious of Emperor and Icon is becoming a big ???

[Alisae]

Uhhhhh
Billy fell down a lil bit, but we'll see about that
Being a bit more suspicious of Emperor and Icon is becoming a big ???

why did billy fall down and what is causing your read on emperor to grow stronger?

[Datisi]

Mainly post 551
I think I had commented at the time that I felt like scum!Icon wanted a sheep, but then went back to pushing me after people started voting me and accusing him of being my buddy?

Mainly his catchup to my reads and discussion, but he's still a firm null

[Alisae]

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Town
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Datisi - Her early hunting with Billy and in general is fine and not faked. For the most part, it looks natural and good. I think her read list is definitely fine. Her stance on Kop is perfect and probably comes from a townie because putting pressure on that slot isn't really worthwhile. Her Luca read is fine. When I see her talking about it, I don't really care about what she feels like is faked by Luca, but its enough and specific enough to say that her concern there definitely exists and I believe it. Her wagon is also WAY too quick for my liking. The VCA stuff gets its own post. Also, I definitely feel like her interactions with Icon are good for her. I buy the conclusion she's giving me in 521 considering the progression she's talking about in 612.

Billy - Early game dude
Klick - His early game solving definitely existed and it wasn't bad. It looked natural and fine to me.
A50 - I think him being the first one to mention Kop like at all and wanting to put pressure on there looks good for him.

Flippy - A lot of the posts he's making like, aren't really that bad at all. His reasoning for why Kop shouldn't be voted is perfect. 160 is definitely fine aside from the tchill stuff but I definitely see how he got that conclusion from tchill. And his actual move onto Datisi doesn't really feel that scum motivated? Like through his posts, it seems like he's trying to figure out what's going on and trying to solve and I buy it.

tchill - Super wrong but doesn't really come across as trying to push an agenda or control the town.

[Alisae]

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VCA
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Kop (4) [L-1] - Almost50, Iconeum, Datisi, Billy Pilgrim
Emperor flippyNips (1) - Kop
Tchill13 (1) - Klick
Datisi (1) - Tchill13

Not Voting (4) - Luca Blight, Emperor flippyNips

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Datisi (4) [L-1] - Tchill13, Emperor flippyNips, Luca Blight, Iconeum
Kop (3) [L-2] - Almost50, Datisi, Billy Pilgrim
Emperor flippyNips (1) - Kop
Tchill13 (1) - Klick


So I'm usually not someone who goes to VCA here, but I kinda of want to note that the Kop wagon was around and way more people had time to give actual imput on it. It sat around and didn't really do much.
The Datisi however was put to L-1 VERY quickly.
The only real similar voter here is Icon, who moves from Kop to Datisi.

Kop (3) [L-1] - Almost50, Iconeum, Datisi, Billy Pilgrim
Datisi (3) [L-2] - Tchill13, Emperor flippyNips, Luca Blight
Emperor flippyNips (1) - Kop
Tchill13 (1) - Klick

I think at around this formation is where I want to say that there is 1 scum on each wagon. I feel like thats pretty safe to say considering the speed of each wagon.
Kop's wagon here I feel like from a Micro perspective took way more time to form and its kind of natural. A50's vote is good as explained to why I'm TRing him. Datisi and Billy really don't seem to know whats going on here and kind of feel like they're just along for the ride. And it really doesn't look that bad from both of them tbh.
Then I feel like Icon if anything is like, trying to persue with some kind of plan. I don't think its a reach to say that he's definitely trying to control how the day plays out.

Now the Datisi wagon I really don't like how quickly it was formed.
Tchill was on it before kop was even put to L-1, and I don't really feel like his vote is where scum would be here.
I'm not actually sure why Nips is on the wagon, but like, his posts prior to joining it looked decentish, and his protest against the Kop wagon is good.
And Luca's vote just fucking sucks.

Add Icon's vote onto Datisi's wagon and you have a wagon that feels artificially boosted to L-1.
It definitely screams 2 scum to me.

[Luca Blight]

I’m gonna catch up on this properly Tomorrow when I have access to a computer, but I just want to know why you think my Datisi vote ‘fucking sucks’?

[Alisae]

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Scum
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Luca - His whole ISO sucks. Nothing in there is actually substanial at all. All of his reads come across as making stuff up on the fly (a lot of times when he is talking about a read, he gives himself room for said read to go either way). He's not really taking any risks and is in general playing really safe. I really want to see Luca go after something instead of just do nothing. Because a lot of what his ISO is nothing. And anything that like, remotely looks like analysis is really surface level stuff.
54 is just a gut scummy start mostly because I don't like the fact he has to feel like he has to have a stance first thing.
His shade in 85 is bad and comes across as scummy.
The Klick stance in 214 just sucks because the way he presents it, it really seems like it could go either way depending on what happens.
224 kind of just sucks. I'm not buying the "scum who is at a loss of what to do" narative at all because when I was reading that, I was generally liking that interaction with Billy.
318 is bad because its him just saying that Klick is town over and over again. The individual points aren't anything thats new. Also in the way its presented itself, I dislike this because he's just saying the samething over and over again. Like, he's trying to look like he's solving, but nothing in that post is actually adding anything new to the game. Its just non-stop praise and I don't like it.
Also apparently, accoriding to you, 325 contains content but it doesn't? Like, that can be faked.
488 is opportunistic. The narative being built here sucks. The vote is just scum.

Icon - I like Datisi so I don't like how Icon is pushing it. I hate how I'm immediately attacked in 593 while I'm catching up. I also kinda feel like Icon is definitely trying to control the game in a way I really don't like. Like, the threat in 618 kinda comes across as "how dare you question my authority." I state a scumread on Luca and that I'm not completely buying the Datisi wagon and I'm being attacked for it because its "not current" like????? Also, I'm really not buying how his confidence level goes from "maybe we're all town" to "I have this super confident read on Datisi. I'm using words to make it look like I WAS uncertain to make it look like I'm trying to solve, but I actually just had this really confident scumread the whole time hahahaha." Not to mention what the original fuss was over, is completely irrelevant. "Devoid of Life" and "Fake" who cares they both mean the samething. It seemed just really semantic to me.

[Alisae]

Ali, I have great respect for you as a player so if you think I (and the rest of the wagon) think we are wrong, disprove it please

also dude
where does this respect come from???????
I'm not all that amazing (I am fun tho) and I have a greater reputation as a mod then a player.

[Emperor flippyNips]

Ughh. Why does everyone start playing when I’m asleep.? Now I have to catch up

[Luca Blight]

54 - I didn’t feel like I needed to have a stance? I was trying to move the game out of RVS, which is what I always try and do.

85 - how the fuck is that throwing shade?

I’m gonna have to address this bits at a time because I’m on my phone and limited 3g atm.

[Alisae]

54 - I didn’t feel like I needed to have a stance? I was trying to move the game out of RVS, which is what I always try and do.

85 - how the fuck is that throwing shade?

I’m gonna have to address this bits at a time because I’m on my phone and limited 3g atm.

If thats moving the game out of RVS then you’re REALLY bad at trying to move the game out of RVS

[Luca Blight]

214 - of course it could go either way, given I don’t know his alignment? I gave an opinion, but I’m not gonna pretend to be massively confident about a read on the first few pages.

224 - It doesn’t just kind of suck - I explained exactly how I came to that conclusion. You may disagree, fine, but try and have a little respect at least.

[Luca Blight]

318 - Klick was a topic of discussion at that time, so I iso’d him to see exactly where i stood on him. Earlier you called me scummy for being unsure of my Klick read, and now you’re calling me scummy for giving a solid, more confident townread on Klick. That is contradictory BS on your part.

[Alisae]

Considering how far we are into the game, I don’t think page 7 and page 9 is really “the first few pages” I think most slots have atleast something you can build more off of then “This post could be either town or scum loooool”

And 224 does suck. Your conclusion sucks and your analysis is surface level shit.

[Alisae]

318 - Klick was a topic of discussion at that time, so I iso’d him to see exactly where i stood on him. Earlier you called me scummy for being unsure of my Klick read, and now you’re calling me scummy for giving a solid, more confident townread on Klick. That is contradictory BS on your part.

here let me transcribe what your post here essentially is
This post - oh this post is a town post
This post - this post is also town
This post - and so is this one
This post - and this one also

Did anything you say add anything to the game?
No.

And guess what
In that exact same post, you STILL gave yourself room to turn that read into a scumread.

[Luca Blight]

488 - opportunistic? Yeah right. I’ve been consistent on my Datisi read throughout.

And yet I wasn’t opportunistic on Kop’s wagon (of which you know the alignment already). You don’t mention this, however, as it doesn’t fit your narrative.

[Alisae]

488 - opportunistic? Yeah right. I’ve been consistent on my Datisi read throughout.

And yet I wasn’t opportunistic on Kop’s wagon (of which you know the alignment already). You don’t mention this, however, as it doesn’t fit your narrative.

and you didn’t vote her earlier because?????????????????????

[Luca Blight]

318 - Klick was a topic of discussion at that time, so I iso’d him to see exactly where i stood on him. Earlier you called me scummy for being unsure of my Klick read, and now you’re calling me scummy for giving a solid, more confident townread on Klick. That is contradictory BS on your part.

here let me transcribe what your post here essentially is
This post - oh this post is a town post
This post - this post is also town
This post - and so is this one
This post - and this one also

Did anything you say add anything to the game?
No.

And guess what
In that exact same post, you STILL gave yourself room to turn that read into a scumread.

I do believe I added something to the game - the fact that Klick was the one who actually did the test (not Datisi) and that he didn’t try to take credit for it. No-one else had touched upon these points.

What is wrong with saying multiple posts are townie when Iso’ing someone? I said it exactly how I saw it.

[Alisae]

Waaaaah my vote isn’t opportunistic my read on her was there before the vote I totally didn’t vote her just then because the wagon was gaining momentum waaaaaah

Ofc you’re not going to vote Kop, no one is going to hammer a slot who wasn’t posting.
I’m flipping town and considering how the day is currently being played out, that brings a lot of attention to you that you don’t want.

[Luca Blight]

488 - opportunistic? Yeah right. I’ve been consistent on my Datisi read throughout.

And yet I wasn’t opportunistic on Kop’s wagon (of which you know the alignment already). You don’t mention this, however, as it doesn’t fit your narrative.

and you didn’t vote her earlier because?????????????????????

My read on her wasn’t that strong (given she had hardly any content) until after her reads list and Kop vote. I believe I’ve explained everything with regards to Datisi already.