Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[Farkran]

. I didn't have a scumread on Menalque so far and i am still reluctant to read him as scum

"not so sure hes scum whatever fuck it *votes mena* L-1"

Read my 576 or don't even talk to me lol it's pointless if you ignore my arguments

i did, and i replied to it.

No you didn't, or you would have noticed my full explanation about being ok with Menalque lynch instead of paraphrasing only whatever suits you. Tunneling (or entering tunnel vision) in my vocabulary means you focus on one target to the point you start ignoring everything else around you, which is bad play and newbie logic USUALLY coming from angered townies. Your definition of tunneling is what i would call pursuiting which is good logic but not so much on d1 where the chance of scumreading correctly is very low, and

4. idk im bad only time i did something productive was a mechsolve turning the game from d3 win to d6 win and all that. i actually have like trash reads

you should be fully aware of that fact in the exact same way i am.

[Farkran]

That is also the reason why i'd rather go for an infolynch rather than a scumlynch on d1. Why do you believe creeper is a good infolynch though? I guess you can see him partnering with me but surely that isn't your only reason?

[Selynee]

Also, they never actually explained the strange scumread on NMSA at that point

wait, who is "they" referring to?

Used gender-neutral pronouns. Not the best in this case, sorry.

@Farkran: Quick clarification thing, when you say someone's moving down in your suspects list, does that mean you find them more or less suspicious than you did before?

doubt that fark/sushi is a scumteam tho

Interesting. Think I agree with this.


Don't know why both of you call it "lynch for information" when you gave reasons to scumread them. Even if not your first choice.


Farkran, do you have a read on NMSA?

[Farkran]

Farkran, do you have a read on NMSA?

Yes, mentioned several times by now, strong townread on NMSA.

[EpicCreeper9002]

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My biggest townread is probably Farkran, for getting people to talk. The fact that they pointed out they did this kind of negates it though. I also lean town on emps for asking those questions to analyze.

ok
a) why is 'getting people to talk' townie?
b) is farkran the only person you think has been doing this?
c) why does pointing out that they did this negate the townread?

hold up if it negates the TR then why is epic still tring fark?

I meant it doesn't completely negate it, just sort of turns it down. Hence "kind of"

[Selynee]

EC, what is your opinion about teacher's answer to your question?

[Menalque]

Fark doesn't die today. He's almost certainly newbtown. Creeper is the best lynch. I'm willing to reconsider on Menalque, but Creeper is almost certainly scum.

VOTE: Creeper

I rly don’t like this? Making me feel like NMSA/fark could be a thing

I haven’t really been reading properly, have they been interacting a lot or kinda ignoring and pushing different directions?

The way and timing seems like a way to get off a wagon that would flip green while it’s low momentum, but giving him the option for a narrative to hop back on me or hammer if the chance comes up/the winds blow that way again

From my admittedly very brief skim, I don’t see why one of fark/creeper is scummier than the other, but I also doubt they’re scum together. Given that, idk why to push creeper, but one explanation is that if gets the lynch off the buddy who is kinda being townread by people, maybe enough to get him through tomorrow as well after creeper!green and if that happened it would definitely be some serious WIFOM in 5p lylo

NB: when I do get around to catching up later, this might completely flip

Not voting until I catch up properly

[Menalque]

That is also the reason why

i'd rather go for an infolynch rather than a scumlynch on d1

. Why do you believe creeper is a good infolynch though? I guess you can see him partnering with me but surely that isn't your only reason?

This is terrible play in general

It’s only worth considering info value if odds of hitting scum are the same between your lynch pool

[NotMySpamAccount]

Fark doesn't die today. He's almost certainly newbtown. Creeper is the best lynch. I'm willing to reconsider on Menalque, but Creeper is almost certainly scum.

VOTE: Creeper

I rly don’t like this? Making me feel like NMSA/fark could be a thing

I haven’t really been reading properly, have they been interacting a lot or kinda ignoring and pushing different directions?

The way and timing seems like a way to get off a wagon that would flip green while it’s low momentum, but giving him the option for a narrative to hop back on me or hammer if the chance comes up/the winds blow that way again

From my admittedly very brief skim, I don’t see why one of fark/creeper is scummier than the other, but I also doubt they’re scum together. Given that, idk why to push creeper, but one explanation is that if gets the lynch off the buddy who is kinda being townread by people, maybe enough to get him through tomorrow as well after creeper!green and if that happened it would definitely be some serious WIFOM in 5p lylo

NB: when I do get around to catching up later, this might completely flip

Not voting until I catch up properly

kinda hypocritical of me to say this, but this is lazy.

[emps]

Used gender-neutral pronouns. Not the best in this case, sorry.

who is it referring to tho

[Selynee]

Menalque.

[Farkran]

@selynee @creeper @sushi

You haven't been updating your reads for a while (if ever). Please do.

[skitter30]

I find it weird that you’re as keen for this wagon as you are skitt

because i think you've been trying to get in a lynch on lynch-bait-y town

and yeah the fact that the game stalled when you got wagoned is ... slightly concerning

btw the townread i had on selynee has all in all evaporated

[skitter30]

It is kinda weird tho

I think it implies one of the SEs is scum, prob telling their partner to stay off me to keep it looking like it’s not building cause it’s all townie

Idk if you’d do that as scum? But trying to read you is a nightmare anyway

It’s like, everything is basically NAI

this is some ... interesting logic ?
you think scum are deliberatley staying off wagon to create the impression of stalling-ness?

have you like ever seen scum do this?

[teacher]

Skit given your read could you comment on farks Menalque evolution?

[skitter30]

Like I really wanted to TR skitt for 342 bc of this:

“i mean given ~past events~ i'm not entirely surprised this is the approach you'd take for reading me
i'm not sure it's ai; i can see town!you realizing you have no idea how to read me (although i'm not sure defaulting to a townread is the correct way to handle the situation), and i can see you doing this as scum as a way to just like not have to 'read' me”

Bc that’s bang on as analysis

But I can see it coming just as much from scum!skitt as town!skitt

Fundamentally tho, I don’t wanna lynch skitt today bc I am, despite reservations and lack of reading availing, townleabing her

i mean i think scum!me probably just tries to pocket you; it would be a lot easier than, like, actually trying to sort you here and trying to figure out what the implications of loltownreads are on me

in my general experience, scum generally dont' view me as a viable mislynch, so they tend to just throw townreads on me till they can kill me

literally everyone is townreaing me here i think so now i have the tricky task of trying to figure out which ones are scum being lazy and which ones are actually because people are trying to read me

[skitter30]

Skit given your read could you comment on farks Menalque evolution?

i don't think i read that far yet? give me a few minutes

[teacher]

Kk

[skitter30]

That is hella survivalistic. Especially since their reads have not flipped. They still scumread me, and acknowledge that me-menalque cannot be a team. NO SENSE.

ok

assorted thoughts on farkran:

- i strongly disagree that he's been survivalistic; i'm p sure i said this earlier but when he was at l-1 he was ... p non-chalant; i'm p sure he said something along the lines of 'if you lynch me today you'll have a lot of information at least to work with'; while he was at l-1 / a viable lynch candidate he kept pushing his reads and telling people to re-evaluate after he flips. none of this really feels like 'survivalistic scum' to me tbh

- my overall vibe of his play is while he's being scummy *by our site's standards/meta* i think he's playing by the standards of his previous site. and things that look weird here are normal/townie there, wherever that there is. so like he's being judged on a different metric than he's used to playing again

i think he's scummy in a vaccuum but like in that context - his thoughts are internally consistent - the standards that he's playing this game by he's applying to use to scumread everyone else

like i think his thoughts make sense from a coherent pov, just a pov that isn't usually found in town on this site

i dont' think this makes him scummy

i think the vote on menalque is bad, sure, but i think it makes sense *from the thought process he's approachign the game with*. whether or not it's a thought process taht i agree with is not particularly relevant to trying to figure out his alignment

honestly i'm kinda surprised that you're not really seeing this?

[skitter30]

@Menalque, talk to me about Skit's Emps read. I could see that by scum!skit pocketing, but

I dont think by scum!skit on a partner?

Like that read opened me up to seeing the playfulness in Emps's posts (and yes, he can powerwolf) in a more safe/open/revealing manner because I thought it was confirming my inclination on emps' alignment regardless of skitters. But do you disagree with the underlined?

i dont' think i townread partners that way, tbh
i get too nervous they'd flip first and that i'd look bad afterwards

[skitter30]

How the fuck do you guys think fark town?

mena is way off his scum meta imo

ok talk to me about this ?

[teacher]

I see it, and think it is possible. I just think it’s the more complicated position, when there is a simpler explanation (actually more than one).

I’m surprised you’re not seeing the survivalism. The Menalque (lack of) evolution is just he most blatant example. I feel like most of the reads - actually not me - have altered in ways that correspond with how Fark thinks they see him. I think the stalling on cloning is surivlistic. There’s more, but I’m mobile.

[teacher]

How the fuck do you guys think fark town?

mena is way off his scum meta imo

ok talk to me about this ?

Also btw, since I know you believe in meta, does D1 scum!enps in 1941 affect your thoughts (on review it didn’t me, but I wanted to raise)

[skitter30]

wait what is this referring to? did you disagree with sely being scum, fark being town, or both?

both

isnt being hyper-aware of the votes on you scummy?
or is it NAI?

eh i htink it's nai

why does it weird you out? i feel like teacher was genuine atm maybe i should reread it

Spoiler:

Subject: Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

Wooooow
Skitter's entrance has turned this game into "let's go sheep skitter"

Subject: Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

ITT everyone tries to appease skitter

Subject: Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

Skitter was town because her vork read took off...

Town reading someone for successfully starting a wagon
Give me a tiny bit more or I'll flat out formally accuse you of putting this here just to try and suck up to skitter

Subject: Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

Vorkuta (4):

skitter30, Dunnstral, nomnomnom,
teacher

u r a person 2 (1):

Nero Cain

teacher (1):

Cinnamon

nomnomnom (1):

Vorkuta

Detective Pikachu (1):

NerfedBuJ

NerfedBuJ (1):

u r a person 2

EvilDeanius (1):

Detective Pikachu

Not Voting (3):

EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget,
Saladman27

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I also might add that it adds up to NC's earlier argument for a teacher scumread that his vote served no true purpose and was a placeholder so yeah, this is definitely the kind of thing that catches my attention. Skitter tends to be highly respected in these games and I think it could play a huge psychological factor in people's decision making here.

scum just behave really fucking weirdly around me ^^^^^

and teacher's v/la defense thing remined me of that, particularly vork.
it's not quite the same thing, but that's what i was reminded of when i read the vla thing

[skitter30]

I see it, and think it is possible. I just think it’s the more complicated position, when there is a simpler explanation (actually more than one).

I’m surprised you’re not seeing the survivalism. The Menalque (lack of) evolution is just he most blatant example. I feel like most of the reads - actually not me - have altered in ways that correspond with how Fark thinks they see him. I think the stalling on cloning is surivlistic. There’s more, but I’m mobile.

idk

i don't see survivalism, i don't knwo what to tell you
i see a crappy progression, but i don't think it's survivalistic, just bad