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[Datisi]

How does everyone feel about Nippleflips?

I didn't scumread him previously, but the longer this day goes on

the more obvious his sidelining becomes.

From my experience in mislynches (and being mislynched), scum often tends to be exactly where this dude is: participating without actually discussing

Can you explain this for me?

[Alisae]

Ali I think you came into this game with the intention of helping Datisi and steering away from her lynch, into a scumread of me.

There, my honest thoughts.

Who is Datisi’s partner
Hint: Don’t say its me

Additionally
Who is scum if me and Datisi are town

[Iconeum]

Datisi, we've been over this already.
I called you out, you responded with a readslist. I didn't like it and I pressured you. When we reached the conclusion of our discussion, I wanted to pressure the inactive slot so it doesnt go to waste. There's rarely time to push inactives during late day, so it was then or not at all. When it became clear that more people wanted to push Datisi, and that the slot was going to get replaced anyway, I saw no reason to continue pressuring there.

During all of this I never lost my scumread of Datisi, but it became less sure. Hence my remark 'could be town'. That's not the same as 'townread'.
What exactly feels so bad about this to you?

[Alisae]

If a game is developing towards the lynch of player x, it's only natural that a player catching up devotes time and attention to that. Especially with player x being at L-1. You saying you don't have to do that, or do it later and 'plenty of time' is just not natural.

see thats where you’re wrong
I’m not in a rush
I can talk to the both of you and try to figure out the truth before I say anything

People can keep cards to themself.
They don’t have to play out their hand.

[Iconeum]

Ali I think you came into this game with the intention of helping Datisi and steering away from her lynch, into a scumread of me.

There, my honest thoughts.

Who is Datisi’s partner
Hint: Don’t say its me

Additionally
Who is scum if me and Datisi are town

I'm actually playing with the idea that you could be scum defending town!datisi. However, as I said, I think there's a lot of times when you play like this as town, and that scum!you idea is biased because you are defending my scumread.

As I said, Nippleflips seems to be floating beneath the radar for the most of second part of the day so far. I don't have good scumreads outside of Datisi so if i'm going to look elsewhere it's there.

[Iconeum]

Also, pre-flip associatives and especially D1 is not a real thing. Though my pressuring of Kop is to force possible asso's later in the game.

[Iconeum]

Billy/Luca/Klick are townreads

A50/Ali I hope I will be able to sort later in the game, but I think there's a good chance town

So PoE brings me to Datisi (+my actual scumread)/Nippleflips (very little gamesolving intent)/Tchill (I need to reread him I can't remember a single thing he said or did this game)

[Alisae]

My posting isn’t accomplishing anything atm
I think I am just going to go do something else until more people start posting

[Iconeum]

Can we talk about the Nipplegifs?

[Datisi]

Datisi, we've been over this already.
I called you out, you responded with a readslist. I didn't like it and I pressured you. When we reached the conclusion of our discussion, I wanted to pressure the inactive slot so it doesnt go to waste. There's rarely time to push inactives during late day, so it was then or not at all. When it became clear that more people wanted to push Datisi, and that the slot was going to get replaced anyway, I saw no reason to continue pressuring there.

During all of this I never lost my scumread of Datisi, but it became less sure. Hence my remark 'could be town'. That's not the same as 'townread'.
What exactly feels so bad about this to you?

We've been over this, but I'm not buying what you're selling.
"When it became clear that more people wanted to push Datisi" sounds opportunistic as hell.
You say your SR became "less sure". Is it still less sure? Back to the original? Even stronger?

pedit: And sure, let's divert attention. Emperor it is.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: datisi

Neeed I say why

?!?!

I think not!!!

When I was asking Datisi about motivation behind the votes on her wagon, I was looking for stuff like this. If Datisi is town, this is the kind of scum hop-on we need to be looking out for.

[Iconeum]

Even though that was only like the second (?) vote, scum would like to park early enough so I could see this coming from scum

[Alisae]

Can we talk about the Nipplegifs?

I mean
I won't say no, my read on flippynips is out there.
But I think we need tchill, klick, and flippygifs to start posting.

[Alisae]

VOTE: datisi

Neeed I say why

?!?!

I think not!!!

When I was asking Datisi about motivation behind the votes on her wagon, I was looking for stuff like this. If Datisi is town, this is the kind of scum hop-on we need to be looking out for.

what makes this hop-on scum and not luca's?

[Iconeum]

We've been over this, but I'm not buying what you're selling. "When it became clear that more people wanted to push Datisi" sounds opportunistic as hell. You say your SR became "less sure". Is it still less sure? Back to the original? Even stronger?

You couldn't afford my stuff anyway.



'Diverting attention' is a bit harsh, especially after you chose to start with something entirely different then the main wagon of the moment, no?

It was opportunistic. I was pushing Datisi, I felt like I couldn't do much more there so poked elsewhere. When the wagon gained steam I saw an opportunity to put more stress on Datisi. Do you think opportunism only comes from scum?

I think Datisi is a good lynch today. I don't have a scumread that is stronger then her, but I have a pool that I'm willing to pressure or even lynch in today.

[Iconeum]

Can we talk about the Nipplegifs?

I mean
I won't say no, my read on flippynips is out there.
But I think we need tchill, klick, and flippygifs to start posting.

I read your townreasoning for Nipplegifs, and don't necesarilly disagree with what you wrote. But I think his general ISO has a lack of gamesolving/pushing intent, and a LOT of fluff.

[Datisi]

'Diverting attention' is a bit harsh, especially after you chose to start with something entirely different then the main wagon of the moment, no?

I started by placing a vote on Luca, but off you go.

[Iconeum]

You wanna compare Luca's vote on Datisi to Nipplegifs? OK

(for some reason the quotes are messed up in the spoiler, but it should be readable either way

Behold the sorting/questioning between Luca and Datisi prior to Luca's vote there. I read this as a natural town-motivated scumread that developped

Spoiler:

And in case you were wondering about somewhat negative early Datisi vibe, it was because, by comparison to Icon, she seemed rather stilted. She appeared to be accustomed to a similar opening style, and yet it felt like she was holding back a little.

At this point it’s still early given we’ve heard almost nothing from Kop and I haven’t yet got a read on Almost50. From the players who have been active from the start, I would consider lynching Datisi or Flippy, with a preference for a Datisi Lynch.

VOTE: kop

can we pile up here please? 2 posts for the duration of this game isn't phenomenal, maybe we can squeeze his thoughts out of him

Has Datisi’s catch-up affected your read on her?

@Datisi: It seems odd then that you preferred a Tchill Lynch over a Luca Lynch earlier in the day if I’ve been giving you bad vibes the whole time.

This was on page 6:

Slight preference to vote for Tchill over Luca, but neither are pinging me as scum yet.

So I wasn’t pinging her as scum and she preferred to Lynch Tchill, yet now she is saying I’ve been giving her bad vibes and she was waiting to see if I would change....doesn’t quite add up.

@Datisi:It seemed like you were expecting scum to be discussing something more specific (I also wasn’t aware of the no day chat) so I was wondering what your thoughts were.

Also Datisi, are you saying my posts have become faker/more devoid of life since you gave that opinion on page 6?

Busy atm so can’t keep up with the live chat, so bear with me.

@Datisi:It seemed like you were expecting scum to be discussing something more specific (

I also wasn’t aware of the no day chat

) so I was wondering what your thoughts were.

Huh. You didn't read all the game rules? And when going through my ISO later on, you didn't mention it?

pedit: yes, I would say so. Also I realize now "devoid of life" might have been too harsh, but I'll stick with fake.

I actually did read the game rules but I forgot about it.

What should I have mentioned?

I realize that "devoid of life" was a wrong way to put it, and I apologize if I did come across as too harsh.

Spoiler: marked in red

I’m very busy this weekend but will try and catch-up every now and then.

Catching up presently.

Just reading up now...

As of the start of page 7, I'm feeling pretty good about Flippy, Klick and Billy. Iconeum seemed Townie based on his start,

but I may have to revisit that slot at some point

, Tchill's contribution at the end of page 6 seems decent.

Klick's 151 is either townie or confident scum work. I'm leaning towards the former atm.

Tchili mid page 8 is either showing genuine Townie emotion or is a skilled scum player - it reminds me of my own frustration in past games.

Just skimmed the last couple of pages - gonna get myself more comfortable for some deeper reading. Right now I'm not really scumreading any of the active players, which is pretty rare for me.

The only one that falls slightly below the null line is probably Datisi based on her content, or lack thereof. Hopefully we get some replacements in soon.

Gonna read back again now.

I also agree with the 'trying to look Town' bit regarding the topic of whether we should use the full day or cut it short.

Also, as a side point, I never understand why, as a Townie, you would tell scum what you're looking out for (in this case, specifically the interactions between possible scum partners). This isn't necessarily AI in of itself as I see this kind of thing all the time, but it's just something I feel is counter-productive.

Looking over Datisi's ISO - it's full of game theory chat and passive questioning - this is where my slightly below null read originates from. The only real point of interest is 99 - Would scum do such a 'test'? Looking back at it, it felt a bit unnecessary of Datisi because Billy's answer to Klick's original question already provided the 'townslip'. I think I'm leaning towards this being an act from scum who are at a loss of what to do, so choose to do something that appears to be useful Town work, with the additional benefit of getting a Townie onside (which, if this scenario is accurate, would have been successful given Pilgrims TR of Datisi).

This is still very much a work in progress,

but my reads are something like this at the moment:

Tchill
Klick
Pilgrim, Icon, Flippy,
Datisi

Incidentally, Flippy's reaction to the same incident looked pretty genuine, which is why I've put him around the null level. I actually dislike such tests as it causes me to doubt myself; such reactions can look so effective, yet be so easily faked by a good player

So far getting positive vibes from Icon, Klick and Pilgrim. Somewhat negative vibe from Datisi.

care to expand a little bit with specifics? Cuz I honestly had no vibes at all from any of the posts I read so far (posts before this one I'm quoting)

I expanded on the Pilgrim vibes in 57. I felt positively about Icon early on mainly due to the fact he seemed to be posting without thinking too much

(I’m aware some players can do this as scum, but it’s a half-decent starting point)

. The vibes about Klick were mainly due to the ‘drunken’ posting.

Again, this could be a clever scum move but I felt it was more likely to come from a Townie.

Looking after my kid at the moment so hard for me to fully check back,

but I think I’ve covered most of the above already. I had a very slight townread on you based on the opening. By the time I made my catch-up post you hadn’t posted for like three days, nor had your ‘serious’ work at that point done much to give me a read on you either way, so I had you as null. Recently I’ve agreed with your points of view on Nippy (or rather you agreed with mine) and on Klick, plus I’ve seen some positive game advancing work from you, so I have you as a town-lean. I haven’t Iso’d you yet but that’s where i currently stand. The rest of your questions I believe I’ve covered already if you look back.

I've marked in red the parts that are pinging me. It simply seems as if he's trying to position himself in a "town-leadrer, voice of reason" position and to appear much more busy/credible than he is. Also note that these posts came after I nulled Luca.

pedit: as I said, I was willing to give him more time. I'm still not certain in this, but you've forced me to out my thoughts, so whatever.

pedit2: Billy and Emperor had single posts that pinged me more, and I was willing to jump on those to see what they mean. Luca has been slowly pinging me across the game.

It feels here like you’ve just zoomed in on the least important parts of my posts and disregarded all the necessary stuff. Do you have anything to say about the actual content of my work? The 224 and 325 examples are particularly laughable for how you ignore all the actual information and highlight the only part that fits your narrative.

Iso'ing Icon.

I can see a fair bit of Town-motivation behind a lot of his work. The only only thing I don't get is what changed his mind on Datisi at around the 371 mark? His questioning of Datisi felt genuine, but I don't get what caused him to ease up on it.

VOTE: Datisi

The more I look at that reads list of hers the more I feel like it isn't genuine. I feel like it was always her intention to jump on the Kop wagon eventually but she was concerned about picking the easy target, so she stuck a half-hearted vote on me instead and then allowed herself to be

talked into

joining the easy wagon.

[Iconeum]

'Diverting attention' is a bit harsh, especially after you chose to start with something entirely different then the main wagon of the moment, no?

I started by placing a vote on Luca, but off you go.

?

[Datisi]

(for some reason the quotes are messed up in the spoiler, but it should be readable either way)

(you need to delete "[/spoiler]" in my post where I was marking things in red)

[Datisi]

792. I started off by commenting on Luca and putting a vote there.

[Iconeum]

If you compare NippleGiffies vote to Luca's, you can CLEARLY see Luca has been developping this read over the course of the game.
Flips just posts fluff and votes, while not participating yet in the actual discussion about it (but if I look back it feels like a lot more time has passed then actually is so yeah)

[Iconeum]

792. I started off by commenting on Luca and putting a vote there.

Ali voted Luca several hundred posts earlier, so I don't know what you are going on about here.

[Datisi]

'Diverting attention' is a bit harsh, especially after you chose to start with something entirely different then the main wagon of the moment, no?

I started by placing a vote on Luca, but off you go.

?

Then I must be misunderstanding this post?

[Alisae]

i think i am going to continue my rejuv run instead of play this game