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[Iconeum]

Datisi how are you reading Ali? Put it in a vacuum, pretend you are conftown cop cleared and have to Judge Ali here and now.

[Iconeum]

yeah it was that weird game

don't remember specifically if it was mikan

but fuck multiball

you were a lot more screamy that game to prove your point (you were scum) and i don't see that here

it was definitely mikan and I don’t take multiball seriously
Also that was kinda a roleplaying alt except I’m bad at sticking to gimmicks like that

I still remember how tough you were to fight, and me still remembering means it left an impression.

[Alisae]

I think there was actually only 1 game where I randed scum in multiball and I took it seriously
MAYBE there’s a 2nd but that’s a reach and even that 1 game I’m thinking about, I was V/LA for most of it
It was when I was hydraing with Transcend and Fro99er
A50 was in it
We won because we’re just the better players
But I vaguely remember doing some
Questionable things there
I think?

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Luca
That is true. However,
1) your ISO analysis made it sound like "everything's still a work in progrss", "it's a slight SL" etc. I was risking being called defensive.
2) I wanted to wait for more material from you to either make my suspicion of you go away or to help me realize how to explain why I think you're suspicious.

Yes, that's my point.

Btw, you say you checked my scum game (where I was ignoring the SR's on me). Have you checked my Town games? Game theory chat and passive questioning is well within my Town game.

Also her ignoring slight SL's also within her towngame. That's why I'm having trouble sorting her. Her activity was mostly questions and reads lists. I felt like her questions in this game were similarly motivated to the ones in the last game with her.

I agree that her Luca case was weak at the time she voted, but I'm having trouble seeing a scum motivation here.

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Ali, I'm having a tough time reading you. These short posts that just come off as one liners, that does not help me sort like at all. I think the VCA you did was good, I liked the analysis of Luca's content. But after that I'm lost in what seem to be zingers.

[Datisi]

@Luca
That is true. However,
1) your ISO analysis made it sound like "everything's still a work in progrss", "it's a slight SL" etc. I was risking being called defensive.
2) I wanted to wait for more material from you to either make my suspicion of you go away or to help me realize how to explain why I think you're suspicious.

Yes, that's my point.

Btw, you say you checked my scum game (where I was ignoring the SR's on me). Have you checked my Town games? Game theory chat and passive questioning is well within my Town game.

I can see your point, although, as I said previously, it was more the ‘Luca isn’t pinging me as scum’ posts etc that pinged me in relation to your later revelation. It felt at the time like you just plucked that read out of thin air in desperation.

Is this the main reason you now think I’m scum, or is it still due to the ‘fakeness’? And how confident are you on your read?

And you feel like scum!Datisi saw you as the easiest target to attack?

I still feel like your posts have an unatural fabricated feel to them that I can't explain. The "double standard" isn't the main reason, but it is contributing. And the fact how you seem almost... obsessed with me? You kept insisting that A50 explain his TR on me, it made me feel like you were just waiting for him to say something less vague just so you can debunk it.

I'm not really confident, because this whole game is still a mess for me, but if I could choose a D1 lynch, I'd prefer it to be you.

Datisi how are you reading Ali? Put it in a vacuum, pretend you are conftown cop cleared and have to Judge Ali here and now.

Reading them as either Town who spotted the same things I saw in Luca or scum who is playing some convoluted long con. Heavily leaning towards them being Town here. It would've been very easy for scum!Ali to jump on my wagon there.

[Chemist1422]

VC 1.8

Datisi (3)

- Tchill13, Emperor flippyNips, Iconeum

Luca Blight (3)

- Alisae, Billy Pilgrim, Datisi

Alisae (1)

- Luca Blight

Tchill13 (1)

- Klick

Not Voting (1)

- Almost50

With 9 alive, majority is 5.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-08-28 07:00:00)

Notes

Klick is V/LA for a few days.

[Alisae]

@Ali, I'm having a tough time reading you. These short posts that just come off as one liners, that does not help me sort like at all. I think the VCA you did was good, I liked the analysis of Luca's content. But after that I'm lost in what seem to be zingers.

I’m banging my head against the wall trying to talk to scum because it seems like scum are in the major posters
A50 isn’t anywhere around atm (and is likely asleep) and everyone else who I think is town is voting Luca
I kinda need tchill and flippy and Klick to start posting

[Alisae]

Billy I am here if you need to ask me anything tho
All you need to do is just ask

[Datisi]

I agree that her Luca case was weak at the time she voted, but I'm having trouble seeing a scum motivation here.

You're voting Luca right now though. Is it just because of his vote on me? Did your view of him change after he explain how he got to voting me?

[Alisae]

@Ali, I'm having a tough time reading you. These short posts that just come off as one liners, that does not help me sort like at all. I think the VCA you did was good, I liked the analysis of Luca's content. But after that I'm lost in what seem to be zingers.

I’m banging my head against the wall trying to talk to scum because it seems like scum are in the major posters
A50 isn’t anywhere around atm (and is likely asleep) and everyone else who I think is town is voting Luca
I kinda need tchill and flippy and Klick to start posting

I’m just sayin tho
I’m not accomplishing anything when the only people I’m talking to are scum

[Alisae]

Like right now I am looking for 2 things
A. The said mentioned players to come back into the game.
B. A flip

A comes first since we’re not even lynching anything except Datisi without A

[Luca Blight]

@Luca
That is true. However,
1) your ISO analysis made it sound like "everything's still a work in progrss", "it's a slight SL" etc. I was risking being called defensive.
2) I wanted to wait for more material from you to either make my suspicion of you go away or to help me realize how to explain why I think you're suspicious.

Yes, that's my point.

Btw, you say you checked my scum game (where I was ignoring the SR's on me). Have you checked my Town games? Game theory chat and passive questioning is well within my Town game.

I can see your point, although, as I said previously, it was more the ‘Luca isn’t pinging me as scum’ posts etc that pinged me in relation to your later revelation. It felt at the time like you just plucked that read out of thin air in desperation.

Is this the main reason you now think I’m scum, or is it still due to the ‘fakeness’? And how confident are you on your read?

And you feel like scum!Datisi saw you as the easiest target to attack?

I still feel like your posts have an unatural fabricated feel to them that I can't explain. The "double standard" isn't the main reason, but it is contributing. And the fact how you seem almost... obsessed with me? You kept insisting that A50 explain his TR on me, it made me feel like you were just waiting for him to say something less vague just so you can debunk it.

I'm not really confident, because this whole game is still a mess for me, but if I could choose a D1 lynch, I'd prefer it to be you.

No, not at all - as I explained previously, I thought your initial vote on me was half-hearted and that you always intended to jump on the Kop wagon eventually.

I’m not obsessed, I was questioning Almost about you because I was genuinely interested in how he formed his Townread on you, for I couldn’t really see it myself. I think it’s quite natural to question why someone is strongly townreading my biggest scumread?

[Datisi]

Even better, drawing attention to myself with a poor SR that I keep claiming I don't know how to explain. Outstanding move for scum indeed.

And did him saying he shares my thoughts satisfy you?

[Luca Blight]

Even better, drawing attention to myself with a poor SR that I keep claiming I don't know how to explain. Outstanding move for scum indeed.

And did him saying he shares my thoughts satisfy you?

I never claimed it was a great scum move - as I said it felt like desperation at the time.

It didn’t do anything to change my mind about your slot, but I’m townreading A50 generally.

[Iconeum]

Datisi, how pressured did you feel to make a readslist after I called you out?

[Billy Pilgrim]

I agree that her Luca case was weak at the time she voted, but I'm having trouble seeing a scum motivation here.

You're voting Luca right now though. Is it just because of his vote on me? Did your view of him change after he explain how he got to voting me?

He's my primary read at the moment, not because he voted you but because of how he voted you. If he had that scum read and he wanted to see how you'd react, it should have happened 200 posts earlier. And then he says your scum game is ignoring your scumreads, but you engaged with both Icon and Luca after you started posting again. As it happened, he waited until one other person, namely Flippy, hopped on. I think he thought it was a safe bet that he could bring Icon back over, and then he'd be in the middle of a wagon and just waiting for someone else to hop on. And at that time the momentum built fast. I'm not a fan of how he handled that interaction with Ali, but I don't know how I would have handled that, so I don't think that's particularly AI. But I see an opportunistic hop on to a wagon that can probably get to L-1 easy and maybe up to a lynch, particularly when he has been saying he's scumreading you for 200+ posts and that's my leading candidate. I'm mostly lost this game, but I think there may be something there.

[Alisae]

'm not a fan of how he handled that interaction with Ali, but I don't know how I would have handled that

here let me help you
how would you handle someone who is badgering and fucking with you for not only their entertainment but also reactions

[Alisae]

basically, how would you handle someone who was trolling you with the intent to fuck with you and wasn't looking for anything productive out of it other then a couple of laughs or to see a grown man break down
because thats what I was doing

[Iconeum]

It's the lack of vote despite Luca scumreading Datisi? Ali is this what you mean as well?

[Alisae]

I'm mostly lost this game, but I think there may be something there.

thats generally a sign that its time to move onto the next day phase and that you've gotten mostly everything you really need out of the day

[Datisi]

Datisi, how pressured did you feel to make a readslist after I called you out?

Mostly felt annoyed that you were calling me out to do stuff when I still felt like I had no idea what was going on and knew that I won't be able to explain my thoughts properly.
I didn't feel pressured honestly. We've bickered before, and you don't scare me.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Datisi

The more I look at that reads list of hers the more I feel like it isn't genuine. I feel like it was always her intention to jump on the Kop wagon eventually but she was concerned about picking the easy target, so she stuck a half-hearted vote on me instead and then allowed herself to be

talked into

joining the easy wagon.

Luca votes here instead of in response to this

I'd argue scum!Icon needs a sheep more than he needs a mislynch candidate right now, but alas. I'll bite for now.
VOTE: Kop
Also I think this is L-2, but I've lost count, so, pls no lolhammers k thx.

and luca should be lynched for it

[Luca Blight]

Billy, is my explanation for the timing of my vote believable to you; that I was multi-tasking and phone-posting at the time of the Datisi pressure (I’m clearly not making this bit up as I mentioned it just prior to the drama) and then proceeded to vote the following day when I had digested what had happened and had computer access to properly review what had occurred?

[Datisi]

@Luca
I recall you mentioning somewhere that you also felt it was natural to vote for your SR once the wagon on them started building up?