Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[Menalque]

like, I think there's a good chance scum!skitt just leaves me to push Farkran/someone else she knows is town so I'd take the flak after getting the lynch through

but when my activity took a hit then I became a reasonable first day iynch target bc I'm (1) easier to get through than teacher/NMSA probably (2) I'm less active than emps/sushi so prob also more viable than them (3) I probably become more dangerous late game to scum!skitt as a newbie and I think mislynching me becomes harder the longer game goes on bc I tend towards spewing myself town when I get active

[Menalque]

but I'm also not sure this works because I highly doubt my ability to catch scum!skitt D1 in any given game

[Sushi Martyr]

The fact that Selynee's sticking around in the thread despite the high tension and has started posting more makes me feel better about her than I did before, especially because her posts seem reasonable.

I looked back over emps' push on Fark; I think it comes from town. The tone is right and the things he points out are mostly reasonable things to point out.

The way skitter keeps defending Fark largely on the basis of him coming from a different site and being used to a different style of play, etc., gives me bad vibes.

I'm still kind of leaning town on teacher, I think? His reasoning is easier to follow than Fark's at any rate, but part of me is a little uncertain whether scum!teacher would use this argument to his advantage, knowing he'd be more capable of expressing himself reasonably.

That leaves NMSA, Menalque, and EpicCreeper. I don't know where to put you three.

pedit: Do you think it's possible scum!skitt could be trying to pocket town!Fark here?

[Menalque]

and it does feel like I'm being kinda reachy

prob just fark!scum + maybe NMSA if I trust gut on my wagon

[Menalque]

I doubt scum!skitt bothers to try and pocket fark here but then again I don't consider myself an expert on her and esp I'm not gonna make any pronouncements about being confident in knowing what scum!her would do

100% nothing she's done here is a good reason to put her as solid town

but if she is town then I'd like to have her not dead. also I like playing with her

[Menalque]

The fact that Selynee's sticking around in the thread despite the high tension and has started posting more makes me feel better about her than I did before, especially because her posts seem reasonable.

I looked back over emps' push on Fark; I think it comes from town. The tone is right and the things he points out are mostly reasonable things to point out.

The way skitter keeps defending Fark largely on the basis of him coming from a different site and being used to a different style of play, etc., gives me bad vibes.

I'm still kind of leaning town on teacher, I think? His reasoning is easier to follow than Fark's at any rate, but part of me is a little uncertain whether scum!teacher would use this argument to his advantage, knowing he'd be more capable of expressing himself reasonably.

That leaves NMSA, Menalque, and EpicCreeper.

I don't know where to put you three.

pedit: Do you think it's possible scum!skitt could be trying to pocket town!Fark here?

I think I would be townleaning me based on my play so far

[Sushi Martyr]

The fact that Selynee's sticking around in the thread despite the high tension and has started posting more makes me feel better about her than I did before, especially because her posts seem reasonable.

I looked back over emps' push on Fark; I think it comes from town. The tone is right and the things he points out are mostly reasonable things to point out.

The way skitter keeps defending Fark largely on the basis of him coming from a different site and being used to a different style of play, etc., gives me bad vibes.

I'm still kind of leaning town on teacher, I think? His reasoning is easier to follow than Fark's at any rate, but part of me is a little uncertain whether scum!teacher would use this argument to his advantage, knowing he'd be more capable of expressing himself reasonably.

That leaves NMSA, Menalque, and EpicCreeper.

I don't know where to put you three.

pedit: Do you think it's possible scum!skitt could be trying to pocket town!Fark here?

I think I would be townleaning me based on my play so far

You're definitely playing differently from Newbie 1938 but one game does not a meta make. (I have not yet looked over your other games. I might try to do so when I get free time.)

Also the fact that you're saying this about your own meta causes me to take it with a grain of salt.

[Sushi Martyr]

I want to be able to get engaged with this game again. I should have put "responding to pressure better" higher on my list of thngs to improve on this game.

If Fark uses frustration or lack thereof as a way to determine if someone's town or not, he'll probably end up scumreading me all game.

[Sushi Martyr]

Like, I have emotions, I just don't think I express them in a way normal people do. If that makes any sense. At least that's the suspicion I get due to being scumread for AtE every time I start breaking down. Which is not a thing I want to become known for by the way. And I don't really have fun getting emotional all the time either.

[Farkran]

Don’t think I’ve seen all the questions for me yet but: my intent wasn’t serious, and that’s part of why I didn’t ask for a claim

How high do you go on your town/scum percentages D1 fark?

I have only two very strong TRs now, namely NMSA since his starting posts and overall obvtown behavior and, after our debate and reading some of his meta, emps.

I have a TR on skitter but she has shown to be good enough at obvtowning to get any strong read - still believing she's town.

Menalque, your defense was terrible. This is your chance to explain why you reconsidered EVERYONE on your train and why you left me out of your SRs.

pedit: you kinda did while i was writing this post, your #675 was also kinda bad but please go ahead with your explanation on who you are SRing among those on your train

I have a slight TL of creeper for being too clumsy to be scum.

Sushi and sely kinda fall in a place where i can hardly have significant reads on before a flip. It's not null, because i find Sushi's behavior scummy, but i can see town!sushi as a distant VT.

I have the strongest SR on teacher.

pedit: sushi gained some points with latest posts, they sound like coming from his own brain rather than instructed from someone.

This is something i can no longer be certain of about Selynee. I have been using scum!Sely pov as a review and i can't rule out the possibility that she's been directed by SE scum ever since her fakehammer. Her leaving out teacher in her latest update (#645), and him almost immediately correcting her might just have been the greatest scumtell ever that i had been overlooking until now.

[Farkran]

UNVOTE: menalque

VOTE: teacher

[Menalque]

Farkran why are you doing your best to actively erode the desire I have to not lynch you

[Menalque]

like I almost wanna lynch you not because I think you're scum but just to cut down the number of worthless overlong posts in the thread so it's easier to keep up with

[Menalque]

so if you're town then, you know, play better

[Menalque]

The fact that Selynee's sticking around in the thread despite the high tension and has started posting more makes me feel better about her than I did before, especially because her posts seem reasonable.

I looked back over emps' push on Fark; I think it comes from town. The tone is right and the things he points out are mostly reasonable things to point out.

The way skitter keeps defending Fark largely on the basis of him coming from a different site and being used to a different style of play, etc., gives me bad vibes.

I'm still kind of leaning town on teacher, I think? His reasoning is easier to follow than Fark's at any rate, but part of me is a little uncertain whether scum!teacher would use this argument to his advantage, knowing he'd be more capable of expressing himself reasonably.

That leaves NMSA, Menalque, and EpicCreeper.

I don't know where to put you three.

pedit: Do you think it's possible scum!skitt could be trying to pocket town!Fark here?

I think I would be townleaning me based on my play so far

You're definitely playing differently from Newbie 1938 but one game does not a meta make. (I have not yet looked over your other games. I might try to do so when I get free time.)

Also the fact that you're saying this about your own meta causes me to take it with a grain of salt.

I love self-meta, what can I say

not just because of meta tho, I think my play warrants a light TR aka town lean

I haven't contributed much and have been kinda lurky and not answering questions. That could be scum indicative from town!you's perspective, but it's also reasonable to believe that I'm telling the truth about just being busy

and I think if you look at my posts then you can see that I am scum hunting with the limited time I have available for this game. but that shouldn't be strong enough to hard TR me at this point bc a fair amount of that scum hunting has been me speculating and sharing that speculation with the thread rather than the more time intensive read through/ISO diving

[Menalque]

I also don't think you should look for meta consistency with my scum play bc even if I were scum I wouldn't play like that again with you + teacher + emps in this game

[Menalque]

I find it weird that you’re as keen for this wagon as you are skitt

because i think you've been trying to get in a lynch on lynch-bait-y town

and yeah the fact that the game stalled when you got wagoned is ... slightly concerning

btw the townread i had on selynee has all in all evaporated

surely the definition of Lynch-baity town is that they do things that seem justifiable for lynching

why is this scummy rather than me just disagreeing with you about whether the tells are genuinely scummy vs town being scummy?

I've been more reticent on fark than I think I might have been and I think you know why

[Menalque]

why do I have no strong TRs right now?

[Menalque]

wow, the creeper ISO is bad guys

VOTE: creeper

[Menalque]

fark's walkback of the PR thing is pretty terrible too tho

fyi, fark's been going on about why I'm ignoring him: bc if he's town, he's just really bad

if he's scum, then his posts are actively trying to mislead me

also they're long and annoying

[Menalque]

I am okay with lynching in (fark, creeper) for today

strongly prefer creeper

readslist

selynee -- the fakehammer was towny, lack of content but there is clear attempt to scum hunt there even if it's not great, has got to more or less the same place that I have re:reads
teacher (conditional on fark!scum)
NMSA -- actually townier than I realised, bc I don't think the creeper read is distancing based on the way he's actually been pushing it, I think it's genuine
sushi -- more or less but I've never seen sushi!scum, although she's claimed she's bad at scum when she was town

skitt -- absolutely hasn't done anything that I think is truly AI. absolutely not lynching her today
emps -- just feel like there's something wrong here and I doubt I got both scum on D1 and he feels worse after the others? I wouldn't wanna lynch him unless I could figure out a reason for why his posts have been making me feel iffy about him tho

fark -- playing bad, I feel like everyone else is townier, I'm not gonna not lynch here just bc they might be mislynch bait

creeper -- trash ISO. not lurking or anything, he's in the game but contributing absolutely nothing. when he's been questioned about that he's been evasive, but he hasn't come across in the way I would expect nervous town to (see: sushi in 1938)

[NotMySpamAccount]

Finally some good content from Mena. Sushi, on the other hand, actually isn't great.

[NotMySpamAccount]

Creeper, come tell me why you're town. Selynee, please do the same.

[Menalque]

What don’t you like about sushi? What don’t you like about selynee?

[Sushi Martyr]

If you want me to make my case by going back and scouring the thread for post numbers of specific examples and make nitpicky wallposts couched in terms of uncertainty, I can try doing that, but it's probably not going to be today (as in the actual day, not the game day).