Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[Sushi Martyr]

I described it kind of sarcastically, but it occurs to me now that might actually help. It's still not happening today, though.

[emps]

In before someone, most likely Fark, calls that a "wolfy pop-in".

feels self concious tbh

[emps]

wow, the creeper ISO is bad guys

VOTE: creeper

good vote

[emps]

also ive done the whole "forgetting someone exists woops" before as scum. i dont really think it comes from town. maybe tho?

[emps]

one of the people i forgot was my scumbuddy as well lol

[Sushi Martyr]

In before someone, most likely Fark, calls that a "wolfy pop-in".

feels self concious tbh

Probably because I am self-conscious. People are scumreading me, so clearly there is an issue with how I'm presenting myself.

[Sushi Martyr]

I kinda wish this thread didn't feel like a minefield where one wrong word or post and suddenly half the players are shouting for your head

[emps]

self concious isnt necessarily scummy yknow that right

[emps]

being scumread doesnt mean ur playing poorly

one time i was mislynched scum told me they thought i was kinda obvtown

then again maybe i just dont wanna think im bad lol

[Sushi Martyr]

I know, but I don't think it's helping anything that I am (self-conscious).

pedit: Oof. Yeah, I know the two things (being scumread and playing poorly) aren't always equivalent since there's more to mafia than just the presentation aspect. But I know I haven't put in a lot of effort and done things I could have done, so there's like a sense of obligation to do those things because they're things I recognize I need to do, and if I don't do them and get scumread for it, that's on me for not putting in the effort.

[Sushi Martyr]

I'm just too fucking tired to put it in this evening.

[EpicCreeper9002]

@selynee @creeper @sushi

You haven't been updating your reads for a while (if ever). Please do.

I'll try ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I feel like the whole Farkran & emps thing is just two townies fighting. I still have my townreads on them from earlier and I just think a lot of the arguments came from town perspectives.

NSMA's recent question to me felt town-ish but he honestly hasn't been putting much into the game (of course that's silly coming from me). My reads on him are more or less null.

I think a lot of people are overlooking Selynee and Sushi Martyr. I see good questions from them both, feels like town but could easily be made up.

EC, what is your opinion about teacher's answer to your question?

Spoiler: The question and answer being referred to, for reference

I'd like you to flesh out your read on me too, teacher. I've shown up pretty low on your recent list, and you seemed to turn against me around the same time as Spam did.

You’re an empty slot, but by choice not availability. You haven’t participated in the game. And you’ve resisted doing so when pushed.

I’ve expressed my thoughts on similar slots before:

(im good w/ your lynch......) “for a reason that seems callous -- if red, which I think is >rand, great. IF green, still not bad. I do believe in the 1:1 on and off wagon, so a green flip would have told me to reexamine my townreads. But given that [creeper] has not contributed any scumhunting OR (and the OR is in fact important here) claimed VLA to return at a date certain, even a green flip would have also removed a liability. This a lesson I learned a little later in my time on MS, but it makes sense to me. D1 and D2, you should of course try to scum hunt. But you should also get rid of town liabilities -- nullish folk that scum wont kill. Town liabilities should not make it to lylo because (1) they are an easy mislynch for scum to push and win the game, and (2) they havent been invested enough to have game-saving reads themselves.”

For one, your reasoning with "town liabilities" makes sense. Of course it's better to lynch scum, but as you say you think that's a possibility as well I can see where you're coming from. But I also find it odd that you came in after NSMA did, and also after what I think was my most contributive post at the time.

Creeper, come tell me why you're town. Selynee, please do the same.

I'm gonna be completely honest here: I have no idea how to do this lol. I feel like anything I say will just make my case worse.


I've said this before, but I think a lot of people think my amount of experience playing Mafia in the past correlates to my skill level. That is very much not the case and I am still horrible at the entire analysis thing

I kinda wish this thread didn't feel like a minefield where one wrong word or post and suddenly half the players are shouting for your head

this is me

[skitter30]

I think I get it. I don’t agree, but that is what it is.

Talk w me about the Menalque wagon “stalling out”. I didn’t see it happening before Farks vote. I feel like it was more game than wagon if that makes sense - that it wasn’t the wagon but the normal drop in activity after an early rush. Did it actually feel stalled to you? (This is more a gestalt/worldview question than a factual one, just curious about the “feel” of the game others described.

Do you think there’s a way to get creeper in? If not, any interest?

ya it did; it felt like the game just kinda ~slowed~ as he was getting wagoned, and ime that often happens in a game this size because scum are getting wagoned
there was a lot of activity in the early part of the game, and i still kinda feel like there's a lot (although not quite as much) activity now.
i def felt like there was a dip in activity for a couple of days that kinda coincided with the wagon

i could vote creeper

[skitter30]

Sushi Martyr- 182 and 216 fair questions, 498 seems an in-depth read on Menalque, 220 was actually ehmm....not sure how they'd read me based on this, "I'd like a chance to do that before you condemn me though" (450) seems to me way too polite more like fear of being scumread, reads are....plausible, but tbh, not a huge fan of announcing you are basing your read on someone else's meta. Scumlean

i'm not entirely following why this is a scumlean

[skitter30]

Also by this site standards Menalque should have claimed already, am i correct?

no, only if he was given intent, which i don't think he was given

[skitter30]

i think fark is talking ~at~ people, instead of ~to~ people, and that's where a lot of the conflict is stemming from

i think teacher is kinda tunneled

[skitter30]

Teacher/mena can be a thing as of now. Selynee never joined the mena train, another casual misrep that is hardly coming from town!teacher. I also never cleared sushi. All in all you seem to be really panicking now, which makes me even more confident that mena is a good info lynch at the very least - chance of scum flipping are quite high tough.

i don't think teacher is panicking

also i'm not liking selynee super much tbh

[Sushi Martyr]

i think fark is talking ~at~ people, instead of ~to~ people, and that's where a lot of the conflict is stemming from

What does that mean? (the difference between the two)

[skitter30]

As an aside, despite my belief you are scum, I want to give you credit for the Townie things I’m seeing. Another one is that I have made mistakes and you aren’t jumping up and down on them despite your scumread. That’s not only pleasant personally, but also is a towny action imo (even if it doesn’t outweigh my other thoughts).

(i think these things make him town, and that you're tunneling on site meta differences, and that we shouldn't be wagoning him)

[skitter30]

he's talking a lot but not communicating well, basdically

[Sushi Martyr]

I just realized I skimmed most of the longer posts, I just assumed it was more of the same stuff.

[skitter30]

Sorry, not so sure in my abilities to start analysing pairs so early. I'll say I don't think Menalque is scum with EC based on the fact he was the first to start scumreading his first post- don't really think this would happen if you see your mafia team is so new.

sorry, where did this happen ?

[skitter30]

Wasn't strong on menalque being town, faking PR is not a plus.

i don't think this is a thing that happened, i think this is a thing that you imagined happened and then attributed to him

[skitter30]

Fark is annoying but idk if that makes him scum

I feel less town on town vibes than I would expect from teacher/fark, but that might also be from not being caught up

i actually agree with this post

[skitter30]

Don’t think I’ve seen all the questions for me yet but: my intent wasn’t serious, and that’s part of why I didn’t ask for a claim

How high do you go on your town/scum percentages D1 fark?

i mean ... it looked serious?
and the fact that most of the game believed that it was serious and were pressuring him to claim kinda makes it serious

and i'm p sure you were posting while emps was going on and on pushing fark to claim and you didn't really seem to indicate it wasn't serious anywhere

(i need to check this in a sec, i don't remember if you were posting but i know i'd remember if you had indicated around there at it wasn't serious)