Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[Farkran]

I think I get it. I don’t agree, but that is what it is.

Talk w me about the Menalque wagon “stalling out”. I didn’t see it happening before Farks vote. I feel like it was more game than wagon if that makes sense - that it wasn’t the wagon but the normal drop in activity after an early rush. Did it actually feel stalled to you? (This is more a gestalt/worldview question than a factual one, just curious about the “feel” of the game others described.

Do you think there’s a way to get creeper in? If not, any interest?

ya it did; it felt like the game just kinda ~slowed~ as he was getting wagoned, and ime that often happens in a game this size because scum are getting wagoned
there was a lot of activity in the early part of the game, and i still kinda feel like there's a lot (although not quite as much) activity now.
i def felt like there was a dip in activity for a couple of days that kinda coincided with the wagon

i could vote creeper

Agreed generally-speaking. I believe mena is town though after his posts series starting from #686.

Question @skitter: you say you may be willing to lynch creeper, what's your next step if he flips town? What if he flips scum?

[Farkran]

also ive done the whole "forgetting someone exists woops" before as scum. i dont really think it comes from town. maybe tho?

I agree and i believe it happens because as scum you have an hard time remembering that you have to fake NOT being part of a team. Instead, especially newbies on pressure but may happen to any scum party, tend to avoid addressing their teammate since they don't really need to talk to them in the main thread.

[Menalque]

Why would I make it clear that the intent wasn’t serious? I wanted to see if anyone hopped off the wagon bc they were worried about a green flip

I think that’s less likely from you/teacher as a reason to hop off but still possible

[Menalque]

skitt said something that bothered me but can't remember exactly what now: I think about scum!her just pocketing me?

but I don't think scum!her would try and pocket me through buddying me, bc she knows that I know that pocketing is something she chooses to do as scum

I'm also not sure she'd do that to me vs NMSA or teacher bc I don't think scum!skitt would view me as a threat that much

but if she was to not try to pocket me (i.e. what she's done) she might actually be trying to pocket me by not doing what she thinks I would have expected scum!skitt to do

the ways of scum!me are mysterious and inscrutable

really tho i have a pretty simple MO: pocket everyone i can

, nk the threats that i can't, be too 'townie' to be in the lynch pool

i don't push mislynches as scum, or push people at all really; i just kinda waffle back and forth ad position myself well so that when people flip i look good

that's it

like, I think there's a good chance scum!skitt just leaves me to push Farkran/someone else she knows is town so I'd take the flak after getting the lynch through

but when my activity took a hit then I became a reasonable first day iynch target bc I'm (1) easier to get through than teacher/NMSA probably (2) I'm less active than emps/sushi so prob also more viable than them (3) I probably become more dangerous late game to scum!skitt as a newbie and I think mislynching me becomes harder the longer game goes on bc I tend towards spewing myself town when I get active

i really don't think scum!me tries to mislynch town!you here, you tend to obvtown i think and i wouldn't want to deal with that

your reads are decent but not ~great~ so i think i just pocket you and keep you in the game to push mislynches for me

This was funny

[Farkran]

The fact that Selynee's sticking around in the thread despite the high tension and has started posting more makes me feel better about her than I did before, especially because her posts seem reasonable.

The way skitter keeps defending Fark largely on the basis of him coming from a different site and being used to a different style of play, etc., gives me bad vibes.

1st paragraph: i don't really agree

second paragraph: ok :shrug:
what kind of bad vibes?

also i think this is a townie post

I could have said the same things skitter said here. This scares me. Skitter i really need you to go over your plan for the next days depending on how today's lynch flips

[Menalque]

ehhh that wagon is kinda icky; both of the people i'm scumreading are on it rn

still happy wiht my vote i think

Wait, who are you SRing apart from me?

[Menalque]

I actually do think skitt is p scummy so far

[Menalque]

But idk how to respond to that thought: I thought she was p towny the first game we played and she was town, but pfup just finished and I thought she was p towny when she was scum

So idk what conclusion to draw from thinking she’s p scummy this game

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.8:

EpicCreeper9002 (3)-

NotMySpamAccount, Seleynee, Menalque

Farkran (1) -

teacher

Menalque (1) -

skitter30

teacher (1)-

Farkran

Not voting (3) -

Sushi Martyr, EpicCreeper9002, emps

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 9am BST on the 28th August 2019. (expired on 2019-08-28 09:00:00)

[Farkran]

Skit I think were going to need to compromise, and that slot is basically the compromise. Maybe Selynee - I need to reread todays stuff, which Im not going to be able to do until tomorrow. But Menalque is off the day's list for me in the same way that Fark is for you.

Why selynee?

[Selynee]

Sushi Martyr- 182 and 216 fair questions, 498 seems an in-depth read on Menalque, 220 was actually ehmm....not sure how they'd read me based on this, "I'd like a chance to do that before you condemn me though" (450) seems to me way too polite more like fear of being scumread, reads are....plausible, but tbh, not a huge fan of announcing you are basing your read on someone else's meta. Scumlean

i'm not entirely following why this is a scumlean

450- As I said, it could be mafia deciding to play safely there. It's not that she'd want to clarify her position regarding Farkran, but the "before you condemn me though"
Basically partially placing a read on someone else. And, yes, I know that a lot of players do it at some point, but I feel like when you are saying "I say X is town/scum partially because I trust Y" it is a pretty easy way out both of explaining it and if you are wrong. Actually played with someone who did just that with pretty great success.
220- What I said, but was a cool theoretical question.

sorry, where did this happen ?

181

[Selynee]

Why would I make it clear that the intent wasn’t serious? I wanted to see if anyone hopped off the wagon bc they were worried about a green flip

I think that’s less likely from you/teacher as a reason to hop off but still possible

I mean, it makes sense in theory if you believe whomever is pushed is town, but while you didn't ask for a claim, it was asked.

[NotMySpamAccount]

If you want me to make my case by going back and scouring the thread for post numbers of specific examples and make nitpicky wallposts couched in terms of uncertainty, I can try doing that, but it's probably not going to be today (as in the actual day, not the game day).

Bad post. Really, rsally bad.

[NotMySpamAccount]

@selynee @creeper @sushi

You haven't been updating your reads for a while (if ever). Please do.

I'll try ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I feel like the whole Farkran & emps thing is just two townies fighting. I still have my townreads on them from earlier and I just think a lot of the arguments came from town perspectives.

NSMA's recent question to me felt town-ish but he honestly hasn't been putting much into the game (of course that's silly coming from me). My reads on him are more or less null.

I think a lot of people are overlooking Selynee and Sushi Martyr. I see good questions from them both, feels like town but could easily be made up.

EC, what is your opinion about teacher's answer to your question?

Spoiler: The question and answer being referred to, for reference

I'd like you to flesh out your read on me too, teacher. I've shown up pretty low on your recent list, and you seemed to turn against me around the same time as Spam did.

You’re an empty slot, but by choice not availability. You haven’t participated in the game. And you’ve resisted doing so when pushed.

I’ve expressed my thoughts on similar slots before:

(im good w/ your lynch......) “for a reason that seems callous -- if red, which I think is >rand, great. IF green, still not bad. I do believe in the 1:1 on and off wagon, so a green flip would have told me to reexamine my townreads. But given that [creeper] has not contributed any scumhunting OR (and the OR is in fact important here) claimed VLA to return at a date certain, even a green flip would have also removed a liability. This a lesson I learned a little later in my time on MS, but it makes sense to me. D1 and D2, you should of course try to scum hunt. But you should also get rid of town liabilities -- nullish folk that scum wont kill. Town liabilities should not make it to lylo because (1) they are an easy mislynch for scum to push and win the game, and (2) they havent been invested enough to have game-saving reads themselves.”

For one, your reasoning with "town liabilities" makes sense. Of course it's better to lynch scum, but as you say you think that's a possibility as well I can see where you're coming from. But I also find it odd that you came in after NSMA did, and also after what I think was my most contributive post at the time.

Creeper, come tell me why you're town. Selynee, please do the same.

I'm gonna be completely honest here: I have no idea how to do this lol. I feel like anything I say will just make my case worse.


I've said this before, but I think a lot of people think my amount of experience playing Mafia in the past correlates to my skill level. That is very much not the case and I am still horrible at the entire analysis thing

I kinda wish this thread didn't feel like a minefield where one wrong word or post and suddenly half the players are shouting for your head

this is me

So tell me, how does the fence feel? You've been sitting on it all game, so you ought to know.

[NotMySpamAccount]

I think I get it. I don’t agree, but that is what it is.

Talk w me about the Menalque wagon “stalling out”. I didn’t see it happening before Farks vote. I feel like it was more game than wagon if that makes sense - that it wasn’t the wagon but the normal drop in activity after an early rush. Did it actually feel stalled to you? (This is more a gestalt/worldview question than a factual one, just curious about the “feel” of the game others described.

Do you think there’s a way to get creeper in? If not, any interest?

ya it did; it felt like the game just kinda ~slowed~ as he was getting wagoned, and ime that often happens in a game this size because scum are getting wagoned
there was a lot of activity in the early part of the game, and i still kinda feel like there's a lot (although not quite as much) activity now.
i def felt like there was a dip in activity for a couple of days that kinda coincided with the wagon

i could vote creeper

Please, be my guest.

[NotMySpamAccount]

I just realized I skimmed most of the longer posts, I just assumed it was more of the same stuff.

Ok this is bd too.

[NotMySpamAccount]

I actually do think skitt is p scummy so far

Nope.

[NotMySpamAccount]

Votecount 1.8:

EpicCreeper9002 (3)-

NotMySpamAccount, Seleynee, Menalque

Farkran (1) -

teacher

Menalque (1) -

skitter30,

teacher (1)-

Farkran

Not voting (3) -

Sushi Martyr, EpicCreeper9002, emps

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 9am BST on the 28th August 2019. (expired on 2019-08-28 09:00:00)[/b]

Somebody L-1 this.

[skitter30]

Fine

Just loudly repeating that i still think menalque is scum

VOTE: epic

[NotMySpamAccount]

Fine

Just loudly repeating that i still think menalque is scum

VOTE: epic

Oh, I agree. I just think creeper is better for today.

[Farkran]

Question @skitter: you say you may be willing to lynch creeper, what's your next step if he flips town? What if he flips scum?

*poke*

[emps]

fakehammering is not a thing where i come from, it's considered a dirty play.

wait fakehammering is dirty play but faking that ur a newb and this is ur first game isnt????

imo the whole "rando names lol no meta allowed" is bad imo

It's my very first game on this site, not my first forum mafia game in my life, i even said it in the signup thread, before the game started.

yeah uh i was saying that you said before that people at ur site hid behind a newbie shield when thwy werent newbs

[skitter30]

Question @skitter: you say you may be willing to lynch creeper, what's your next step if he flips town? What if he flips scum?

*poke*

if he flips town i think menalque

if he flips scum i think selynee

[emps]

i dont think anyone would mind if i gave

intent to hammer creeper

claim and defend urself ty

[emps]

wait why sely? is creeper/mena just not a thing?