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[Klick]

I started from the top in his thread ISO - there were a couple of town games and a scum game. I'd like to do more.

[Alisae]

and as for him wanting to be correct here?
I'm not quite sure why you need meta for that.

[Luca Blight]

With regards to my defence of myself being ‘scumclaims’, I’ve genuinely felt my frustration in this game boil over to the point where I’ve felt the need to bluntly point out certain things that mean I’m Town, and certainly mean I shouldn’t be the Day 1 Lynch. I actually cringe a little looking back at some of it, but it was born out of complete exasperation.

I’m starting to get the feeling that Datisi might be Town after all, and that at least one scum is sitting in the quieter half of the Town. I’m particularly looking at Flippy who has been conspicuous only by his absence since Alisae began her tunnel on me. I’m becoming paranoid that I might have been wrong about Tchill as well. I’m feeling almost resigned to the fact that I’m going to be today’s Lynch given how it’s shaping up, but I’m gonna try and leave some decent reads behind anyway.

[Alisae]

@Kilcik I'm decently interested in your thoughts on these 2 people

A50
Emperor

[Datisi]

I’m starting to get the feeling that Datisi might be Town after all

, and that at least one scum is sitting in the quieter half of the Town. I’m particularly looking at Flippy who has been conspicuous only by his absence since Alisae began her tunnel on me. I’m becoming paranoid that I might have been wrong about Tchill as well. I’m feeling almost resigned to the fact that I’m going to be today’s Lynch given how it’s shaping up, but I’m gonna try and leave some decent reads behind anyway.

Can you give reasons for this?

@Luca
What information would my lynch provide? Whoever's on my wagon is gonna hide behind "but her reasoning for Luca was shit".

Also can you answer this, please

[Alisae]

@Tchill

The interaction between datisi and icon has left a terrible taste in my mouth with both of them.

If we lynch Luca and he flips town I will be extremely annoyed... Plus the idea that datisi AND iconeum will probably both still be in play at the beginning of D2 isn't a pleasant one to me. If one or both are town they've already proven they don't care voting with players they just believed were scum. That type makes for great scum TOOLS imo.

Thats cool.
I'm probably going to re-evaluate Datisi if Luca flips town.
Luca's vote and the speed of the actual wagon kind of just was too much for me

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Lucas's early game was way better than anyone else's from my perspective.

talk to me about it?
When I read the game I found that Luca didn't really do anything significant or substantial like at all

I subscribe to the school of thought that you don't have to have the game figured out early. Sometimes you just let it come to you. It's very difficult to disrupt the flow of RVS and out of comparison alone like I mentioned Luca was the only player that didn't make me... Alarmed so to speak.

Now I'm not one to try and catch scum D1 based off gut or feeling. That maybe a confidence issue or it maybe that observing the entire play list, weighing the pros and cons in terms of level headedness, ability to be manipulated by scum, who I would want in lylo if I were scum in a given game... Works better for me in the early game.

Icon and datisi are players if be trying to get to lylo if I were scum here.

I don't see how you can debate in a hypothetical where icon, Datisi, and Luca were all town.

Luca would be the most destructive to scum throughout an entire game.

There's also actual scum motivation in voting WITH someone who just pressured you to get a lynch through as datisi voted WITH icon to get at the time an inactive slots lynched push through.

I want to point out that, the desire to be right is important. You don't HAVE to be right, actually being right isn't important as long as you WANT to be right.
Also it feels good to be right.
So when you're saying that you don't really want to worry making sure your D1 solve is ACTUALLY right, thats fine as long as you are showing that you want to be right.
Again, you don't have to BE right, just want to be right.

Lucas's early game was way better than anyone else's from my perspective.

talk to me about it?
When I read the game I found that Luca didn't really do anything significant or substantial like at all

What was substantially GOOD about the other players?

So far I've seen icon and datisi vote every which way a wagon was.

I actually didn't really read Icon's posts early. I figured if he was scum, he would be at his best then, and if he's town, we'll he's going to be at his best anyways, so I don't think I would have gotten anything out of his earlier posts, but a lot more out of his later posts and his interaction with Datisi.
I think Klick's early game is really good. I definitely feel like he was solving and I was able to see that every step of the way. I'm still seeing this desire to try to figure out people's motivations with his recent posting.
Billy just comes across as really town to me. He just, does.
Flippy is also someone who had an early game that I find it hard to actually focus on. But I think his response to the Kop wagon is good enough? I will say, it definitely leaves more to be desired.
When it comes to A50, I'm sold on him not really knowing what to do, I can see it happening completely, and I don't think that he would be like this if he was scum? I don't see why he would be, there's so much going on its easy to take any side, and I can see him being lost with a bunch of townreads and not really knowing where to go with them.
Datisi I'll agree with there, kinda does come across as how you're describing her, but I really don't think thats scum indicative. I feel like in her hunting and how she's reaching those answers come from a place where she wants to try and figure out motivations and also work with people she trusts. I can see why you think she's voting every which way, but I don't think thats scum indicative here.

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And if you say "they're intentions were in the right place" that's not gonna hold up.

I noticed you said I was "just wrong" but not manipulative in your early read of me. That's fine I have no pride about my early game. I'd like to know where the others (not me or Luca) were particularly correct though.

I refered to you as "just wrong" because one thing you were saying about Datisi was that she was "pushing" kop and I really don't see how her vote was like a push and more like "I am going to work with Iconeum here"

anyhow I kind of hope that this helps?

[Luca Blight]

@ Datisi: I’ve only skimmed the recent pages, but it’s just a feeling I got from your interaction with Icon. I will try and review it later.

You’re a player that has divided opinion, therefore it would naturally be an informative Lynch. Mine would be also for the same reason, but the difference is that you have claimed VT and I haven’t, and I feel like I’ve done nothing to warrant being lynched on D1, but then perhaps I’m biased on that.

[Alisae]

{Klick, Billy, Tchill} - I really think these are town
{Datisi, A50} - If I'm wrong somewhere, maybe it could be on one of these, but re-evaluating here is probably something I want to focus on when I have flips to work with. atm I don't think I'm wrong.
{Flippy} - Could be town but leaves room to be desired
{Luca} - Scum

I'm excluding Icon cuz cop claim I don't see any real reason to focus on that slot.

[Datisi]

Okay.
So if I flipped VT, what would you take away from that?
If I flipped Mafia, what would you take away from that?

[Alisae]

With regards to my defence of myself being ‘scumclaims’, I’ve genuinely felt my frustration in this game boil over to the point where I’ve felt the need to bluntly point out certain things that mean I’m Town, and certainly mean I shouldn’t be the Day 1 Lynch. I actually cringe a little looking back at some of it, but it was born out of complete exasperation.

I’m starting to get the feeling that Datisi might be Town after all, and that at least one scum is sitting in the quieter half of the Town. I’m particularly looking at Flippy who has been conspicuous only by his absence since Alisae began her tunnel on me. I’m becoming paranoid that I might have been wrong about Tchill as well. I’m feeling almost resigned to the fact that I’m going to be today’s Lynch given how it’s shaping up, but I’m gonna try and leave some decent reads behind anyway.

do you have an a50 read you wanna share?

[Datisi]

Wait shit, did Luca townslip?
ohhhh how this game hurts me,,,

[Luca Blight]

Okay.
So if I flipped VT, what would you take away from that?
If I flipped Mafia, what would you take away from that?

This really is a case of ‘i’ll cross that bridge when I come to it’. I think it’s fairly obvious that information could be gleaned from either one of our lynches, regardless of the outcome.

[Alisae]

Wait shit, did Luca townslip?
ohhhh how this game hurts me,,,

?

[Klick]

and as for him wanting to be correct here?
I'm not quite sure why you need meta for that.

I'm not seeing the argument from 'not wanting to be right' to be honest. But I can see the thing you're arguing next to that, that he's far too concerned about how he's coming across in everything he's saying. Especially lately he has stopped scumhunting to take a lot of time explaining why you're wrong.

The problem is that I can see a plausible town motive for it (that being that he's just really stubborn and you needled him in just the right way to set him off). But from an overarching perspective I do think it's a scumtell.

I'll chat about Emperor/A50 later. I haven't really given any mental attention to most of A50's posts since they replaced in tbh, so it'll do me good to give them a proper read.

[Alisae]

and as for him wanting to be correct here?
I'm not quite sure why you need meta for that.

I'm not seeing the argument from 'not wanting to be right' to be honest. But I can see the thing you're arguing next to that, that he's far too concerned about how he's coming across in everything he's saying. Especially lately he has stopped scumhunting to take a lot of time explaining why you're wrong.

The problem is that I can see a plausible town motive for it (that being that he's just really stubborn and you needled him in just the right way to set him off). But from an overarching perspective I do think it's a scumtell.

I'll chat about Emperor/A50 later. I haven't really given any mental attention to most of A50's posts since they replaced in tbh, so it'll do me good to give them a proper read.

ok dude
i think ima just let you do ur thing because I'm decently satisfied with this

[Datisi]

Okay.
So if I flipped VT, what would you take away from that?
If I flipped Mafia, what would you take away from that?

This really is a case of ‘i’ll cross that bridge when I come to it’. I think it’s fairly obvious that information could be gleaned from either one of our lynches, regardless of the outcome.

This reply isn't sitting well with me though. As if you're afraid to actually say what you're thinking becuase someone might disagree.

[Luca Blight]

Okay.
So if I flipped VT, what would you take away from that?
If I flipped Mafia, what would you take away from that?

This really is a case of ‘i’ll cross that bridge when I come to it’. I think it’s fairly obvious that information could be gleaned from either one of our lynches, regardless of the outcome.

This reply isn't sitting well with me though. As if you're afraid to actually say what you're thinking becuase someone might disagree.

I promise you, I couldn’t care less if someone disagreed with me. It’s happened so often recently that I’m fairly desensitized to it. I just can’t be arsed going over pure speculation; I’m having a hard enough time dealing with the current state of this game.

[Datisi]

Okay, fine, but your posts can also be taken as "Datisi's lynch, whatever she flips, would provide us lots of information. I won't state that information now. But it definitely would. Also she's already claimed so lynch her please."

[Alisae]

Okay, fine, but your posts can also be taken as "Datisi's lynch, whatever she flips, would provide us lots of information. I won't state that information now. But it definitely would. Also she's already claimed so lynch her please."

you know
he isn't wrong?

[Datisi]

What do you mean?

[Luca Blight]

Okay, fine, but your posts can also be taken as "Datisi's lynch, whatever she flips, would provide us lots of information. I won't state that information now. But it definitely would. Also she's already claimed so lynch her please."

I’ve already stated that standard D1 play would be to Lynch you here. I also just said I now think you might be Town, so that is a very strange way to take that post.

[Alisae]

given how major your wagon was, your flip regardless of what it is will have an impact on the game.
A town flip makes me want to kill Luca more
a scumflip makes me re-evaluate practically everything but from Luca's POV, wanting to lynch me as soon as you flip scum isn't unreasonable

[Alisae]

With regards to my defence of myself being ‘scumclaims’, I’ve genuinely felt my frustration in this game boil over to the point where I’ve felt the need to bluntly point out certain things that mean I’m Town, and certainly mean I shouldn’t be the Day 1 Lynch. I actually cringe a little looking back at some of it, but it was born out of complete exasperation.

I’m starting to get the feeling that Datisi might be Town after all, and that at least one scum is sitting in the quieter half of the Town. I’m particularly looking at Flippy who has been conspicuous only by his absence since Alisae began her tunnel on me. I’m becoming paranoid that I might have been wrong about Tchill as well. I’m feeling almost resigned to the fact that I’m going to be today’s Lynch given how it’s shaping up, but I’m gonna try and leave some decent reads behind anyway.

do you have an a50 read you wanna share?

[Alisae]

tbh
maybe we should just flashwagon flippynips

[Datisi]

Okay, fine, but your posts can also be taken as "Datisi's lynch, whatever she flips, would provide us lots of information. I won't state that information now. But it definitely would. Also she's already claimed so lynch her please."

I’ve already stated that standard D1 play would be to Lynch you here. I also just said I now think you might be Town, so that is a very strange way to take that post.

Is it really? Because judging by your view of standard play and that fact you're still voting me, it doesn't seem like you're that opposed to my lynch.

given how major your wagon was, your flip regardless of what it is will have an impact on the game.
A town flip makes me want to kill Luca more
a scumflip makes me re-evaluate practically everything but from Luca's POV, wanting to lynch me as soon as you flip scum isn't unreasonable

I wasn't saying he was wrong. I just wanted to hear him say what info would he take away from that.