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[Alisae]

@alisae

What have the "other" done correctly early game? Because you said I was "just wrong" In your early reads of players.

I'd specifically like to know what datisi/Icon/Billy were doing correctly.

icon didn't read
Datisi was trying to figure out the game
Billy just seemed to be really town

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Luca's recent posting is actually something that doesn't make me scream "kill it"
its like not bad and I can see myself being wrong there

Your stance on Luca changes as soon as luca takes a vote off datisi and puts it somewhere else.

I suggested flippynips and then Luca takes his vote off???????????
see, I said you're wrong because your mindset here is votes not what people are saying

That's interesting. The votes and saying part. Voting is the only action ppl have rn. So in inclined to give voting the most respect of any content I see.

People can say whatever they want. Actions speak louder than words. I'll check up on the Luca unvote though.

okay people can say what they want.
Everything is WIFOM
its up to you to decipher it.

[Tchill13]

Didn't alarm you at all datisi and icon voted together after pushing each other? That wasn't odd at all?

@peanut gallery, specificly Klick
Does this bother you at all?
I'm not sure if I'm overeacting but the insistance of pushing this is
bothering me?

I'm not sure what to think of it because I feel like this is something scum pushes but I could definitely see this being posted by town!tchill

It's due to the timing. Specifically because datisi was in danger of being lynched. Then votes with the person that pushed her. Votes an inactive slot and pushes for the inactive to be lynched before a replaceme in.

Yes I very much believe datisi is scum. I'd also love to hear how there's no scum motivation in that breakdown.

[Alisae]

Didn't alarm you at all datisi and icon voted together after pushing each other? That wasn't odd at all?

@peanut gallery, specificly Klick
Does this bother you at all?
I'm not sure if I'm overeacting but the insistance of pushing this is
bothering me?

I'm not sure what to think of it because I feel like this is something scum pushes but I could definitely see this being posted by town!tchill

It's due to the timing. Specifically because datisi was in danger of being lynched. Then votes with the person that pushed her. Votes an inactive slot and pushes for the inactive to be lynched before a replaceme in.

Yes I very much believe datisi is scum. I'd also love to hear how there's no scum motivation in that breakdown.

where did she actually "push" kop? Like, what qualifies her vote as a "push" I don't think we're seeing eye to eye here
also quote the breakdown again

[Datisi]

Didn't alarm you at all datisi and icon voted together after pushing each other? That wasn't odd at all?

@peanut gallery, specificly Klick
Does this bother you at all?
I'm not sure if I'm overeacting but the insistance of pushing this is
bothering me?

I'm not sure what to think of it because I feel like this is something scum pushes but I could definitely see this being posted by town!tchill

It's due to the timing. Specifically because datisi was in danger of being lynched. Then votes with the person that pushed her. Votes an inactive slot and

pushes for the inactive to be lynched before a replaceme in.

Yes I very much believe datisi is scum. I'd also love to hear how there's no scum motivation in that breakdown.

I'm sorry, what? I can't deny that I voted Kop, because I obviously did, but I put him up to L-2. I even announced it. It wasn't a push for his lynch.

If you're looking at who was "pushing for an inactive slot's lynch", Billy is closer to that (he put him to L-1). I'm not saying Billy

was

pushing for that lynch, because he obviously wasn't, but I find it interesting how you say that I'm the one to do that.

[Tchill13]

@alisae

Yes everyone can say what they want.

I put SUCH an emphasis on d1 votes because there no actions to go back and look upon.

If you think you should play d1 the way you should play the rest of the game I just disagree with that idea entirely. Considering how abnormal d1 is compared to the rest of the game.

[Tchill13]

Putting someone at L-2 isn't pushing for someone to be lynched?

Lol OK.

[Datisi]

Then the fuck is putting someone at L-1?

[Alisae]

If you think you should play d1 the way you should play the rest of the game I just disagree with that idea entirely. Considering how abnormal d1 is compared to the rest of the game.

I actually play the game very different once flips start popping up and in general people start to slip up while town just keeps playing the game.
But like, going to the extent to say that what people are saying D1 doesn’t matter at all just because they can say anything they want??????? Yeah I’m not so sure about that dude

[Alisae]

Putting someone at L-2 isn't pushing for someone to be lynched?

Lol OK.

I really don’t think the intent there was to lynch

[Tchill13]

Then the fuck is putting someone at L-1?

It's pushing a lynch.

[Tchill13]

If you think you should play d1 the way you should play the rest of the game I just disagree with that idea entirely. Considering how abnormal d1 is compared to the rest of the game.

I actually play the game very different once flips start popping up and in general people start to slip up while town just keeps playing the game.
But like, going to the extent to say that what people are saying D1 doesn’t matter at all just because they can say anything they want??????? Yeah I’m not so sure about that dude

It's matters what they say obviously. That's not what I'm getting at... Never mind. I'm just dropping that conversation entirely.

My, game theory shit when discussed with others just leads in circles on this site. Just keeping it to myself.

[Datisi]

Then the fuck is putting someone at L-1?

It's pushing a lynch.

And pushing a lynch on an inactive slot is scummy as shit, right?

Why aren't you down Billy's throat about it then? I don't think you even mentioned it.

[Tchill13]

Putting someone at L-2 isn't pushing for someone to be lynched?

Lol OK.

I really don’t think the intent there was to lynch

Hard to sell me on they're just forming a read by putting someone at L-2.

[Alisae]

If you think you should play d1 the way you should play the rest of the game I just disagree with that idea entirely. Considering how abnormal d1 is compared to the rest of the game.

I actually play the game very different once flips start popping up and in general people start to slip up while town just keeps playing the game.
But like, going to the extent to say that what people are saying D1 doesn’t matter at all just because they can say anything they want??????? Yeah I’m not so sure about that dude

It's matters what they say obviously. That's not what I'm getting at... Never mind. I'm just dropping that conversation entirely.

My, game theory shit when discussed with others just leads in circles on this site. Just keeping it to myself.

its cool just develop it as you see what works and what doesn’t
Taking something away from a game and the improvements along the way is what counts

[Tchill13]

I'm gonna go back and reread the interaction that made me believe datisi is scum.

At quick glance it looked like it went datisi/kop/datisi because of vote counts... It alarmed me enough to put actual time in it.

[Alisae]

Putting someone at L-2 isn't pushing for someone to be lynched?

Lol OK.

I really don’t think the intent there was to lynch

Hard to sell me on they're just forming a read by putting someone at L-2.

I don’t think the intent to actually lynch that slot is there
But also I don’t see the point in running it up at all?

[Tchill13]

@alisae I actually wouldn't mind a game theory conversation post game. Ik you're one of the more successful players here.

Also, exactly. Why even vote the inactive slot if you don't have intent to lynch.

It's more than likely because you intend to EVADE the lynch. Datisi was in the most danger of being lynched. Scum could have seemingly pushed through a datisi lynch and just been fine. Something happened and a kop lynch grew...

Wonder why.

[Alisae]

@alisae I actually wouldn't mind a game theory conversation post game. Ik you're one of the more successful players here.

Also, exactly. Why even vote the inactive slot if you don't have intent to lynch.

It's more than likely because you intend to EVADE the lynch. Datisi was in the most danger of being lynched. Scum could have seemingly pushed through a datisi lynch and just been fine. Something happened and a kop lynch grew...

Wonder why.

make a thread in MD for it post game. What will probably be important is how you came to those conclusions game theory wise and the results you seen when you applied them. I know something that happens to me a lot is I see something that works and when you see something that works, its really easy to go “I want to apply that” and you keep on applying it in situations that it shouldn’t be applied just because of that one time it worked out

Also peer review is pretty important and not something I see at all (or do myself actually) mostly because
A. I don’t really see the mentality to want to do review a game after its completed
B. The “Peer” part is pretty important because its hard to actually review your own games and a peer is going to introduce some concept to you or show you something that you won’t find by yourself.

This stuff doesn’t even have to be applied to just mafia.
These ideas of improvement i’m talking about I learned mostly from League videos.

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Onto the actual game tho, I get that Kop’s posts aren’t exactly amazing.
But it also did get to L-1 fairly quickly, just as quickly as Datisi got to L-1 tbh
I’m not exactly familar with what the votecount was prior to Kop going to L-1

I vaguely remember when Datisi posted that readlist that she was being pressured by Icon and Luca about it but don’t really remember what else was happening

[Alisae]

Yeah looking back at when Datisi posted that read list, She only had like 2 votes on her, you and Icon. She wasn’t really that close to lynch range until after the Kop wagon was formed.

[Almost50]

And allow me to point out (@Ali) that I think you probably misread 618. I didn't get the feeling he was mad at ou challenging his authority at all. Read it again, if you will.

Well, at least I still got a good eye for crumbs.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Started to post that vote analysis last night but I didn't really have enough time. I wanna finish that because I think if I take time with it it may help me refine some thoughts. Unfortunately I won't be able to get to it for another day.

I will say overall that this game has gotten incredibly difficult to follow. There's so much activity that when I wait like 12 hours there's like 5 pages to catch up with.

[Emperor flippyNips]

Hi still alive. We gonna kill someone yet?

[Emperor flippyNips]

Ahh man. Just realized I asked questions before & now I gotta dig.

[Chemist1422]

Billy Pilgrim has replaced out.

[Alisae]

And allow me to point out (@Ali) that I think you probably misread 618. I didn't get the feeling he was mad at ou challenging his authority at all. Read it again, if you will.

Well, at least I still got a good eye for crumbs.

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Also i miss ur old avatar