Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[Menalque]

Yes i agree that sitting on your wagon for like 3 irl days and trying yo get other people to vote with me is 'scumreading you without pushing you' , totally

I believe that you're a good enough player that if you'd really wanted to get votes on me, you would have got them

I think you didn't bc it lets you push this angle now

[Menalque]

like, I'm not a great player but I can get votes on people pretty consistently

skitt is definitely a better player than me, there's no way my wagon stalls out like that if town!her is genuinely trying to make it happen

[Menalque]

yeah, I'd rather go here today

VOTE: skitt

[Selynee]

Farkran, don't forget to explain- why is Menalque scum if EC is town when you last had him as town, why I am scum with EC here and when did you formed this view given that you've considered me as potential scum partner with teacher and at least someone else but as far as I remember never said anything about me-EC. Thx.

[Farkran]

Farkran, don't forget to explain- why is Menalque scum if EC is town when you last had him as town, why I am scum with EC here and when did you formed this view given that you've considered me as potential scum partner with teacher and at least someone else but as far as I remember never said anything about me-EC. Thx.

Eh, guess what, menalque just jumped off the train that could give us that info.

[Menalque]

Or

Radical thought

You could just

Tell us why

????

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.9:

EpicCreeper9002 (3)-

NotMySpamAccount, Seleynee, skitter30

Farkran (1) -

teacher

teacher (1)-

Farkran

skitter30 (1)-

Menalque

Not voting (3) -

Sushi Martyr, EpicCreeper9002, emps

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 9am BST on the 28th August 2019. (expired on 2019-08-28 09:00:00)

[Sushi Martyr]

If you want me to make my case by going back and scouring the thread for post numbers of specific examples and make nitpicky wallposts couched in terms of uncertainty, I can try doing that, but it's probably not going to be today (as in the actual day, not the game day).

Bad post. Really, rsally bad.

no u

...Tempted to leave it at that and expend about the same amount of effort you did replying to mine, but I think it would be too easy to miss the point then. I'm not going to argue it's a good post, or that it's productive that I wasn't doing this yesterday, but pointing out things like this and just saying "bad post" feels extremely lazy to me, possibly in a scum-motivated way (getting to scumread someone without needing to explain yourself), because pretty much anyone can look at my post there and say, "that's true, it is a bad post that's not helping the game" and thus probably aren't going to challenge your post saying it's a bad post.

To be fair, I don't remember if you also said you found any of the posts I made that actually showed my thoughts on people and/or events in the game scummy; if that is the case, then I retract my accusation of laziness, but I still don't like the way you responded to my post (and I think a later similar one I made too) with nothing more than just "this is bad".

It's extremely hard trying to break the disconnect between my thoughts and my posts related to the game when every time I post something not directly attempting to solve the game, it generates this kind of half-assed response. Even if my thoughts are "I'm too lazy for this game tonight", I still want to feel comfortable posting them. When I start to hesitate and think, "I probably shouldn't post this, I'm gonna get scumread for it," even on trivial posts like the one you quoted, then I start to get self-conscious about even things that are game-related. Making posts like the one I made isn't directly pro-town, but being able to make them lets me feel more comfortable sharing my thoughts in general, which could then be translated into feeling more comfortable sharing my thoughts on posts, players, etc., which would end up being pro-town. If you're going to scumread me based on actions I've been taking or stances that seem fake, fine, but this kind of post from you isn't helping.

I realize I'm being a bit of a hypocrite here, with my wanting to be able to post even things that are casual thoughts and yet getting annoyed when others make low-effort scumreads in response to these thoughts-- although actually I think the two things are slightly different in that the post you were responding to was not me casting shade on someone for something easy to cast shade on them for that would thus cause my shade-throwing to probably slip under most people's radar. It just irritates me. If you're going to scumread me for something, or if you think the whole idea of making some posts that aren't super-scumhunty is a bad one, then argue that. Don't just say "this is bad" to something that's obviously not an attempt to solve anything and then leave it at that.

[Farkran]

Or

Radical thought

You could just

Tell us why

????

Three people have been pushed to L-1 so far: 1. Farkran, 2. Menalque, 3. Creeper.

Train analysis: selynee was on train 1 and 3 (currently on 3), you were on train 1 and 3 (left both), emps was on 1 and gave intent on 3, skitter was on 1-2-3 (currently on 3), nmsa was on 3, teacher was on 1 and 2 (currently on 1).

I assume at least 1 scum if not both of them on town!trains (i mean trains targeting a town player), and no scum on scum!trains when they reach intent. Before intent, you may find scum on scum!trains imho.

I assume town!myself, town!nmsa and town!emps atm. These are my very highest TRs, i don't trust my reads on other people that much.

Skitter now has my same TRs + town!teacher + town!skitter.

Now if creeper flipped town, you were going to look very scummy if you stayed on train, so it would have been correct to get you tomorrow. This is also true for selynee. And for skitter herself but she wouldn't mention that.

If creeper flipped scum i would pursuit teacher fiercely, but based on town!skit assumptions she would definitely look at selynee, therefore i think her analysis is top quality from her pov.
Even if i disagree with town!teacher and i'm definitely not sure about town!skitt.

Now that you left train 3, your position is kinda shaky again and you're going to look very bad in case of scum!creeper. You are not cleared in case of town!creeper. The result of n1k is also very significant.

@menalque @selynee Do you think i am wrong?

[Selynee]

Yes, you are assuming there is no possibility of a no-scum on a town lynch. Which totally could be the case especially if you have a slot like EC. Also, a strong mafia player could vote their partner if it is obvious they are going to be lynched (or maybe if they are a liability).

Also, I assume top-quality means you either agree with them or that they provided some great reasons there. She scumread me (partially, I think) on an interaction with EC. Who do you think she would pair scum!EC with as either alignment? Some random slot?

[Farkran]

Yes, you are assuming there is no possibility of a no-scum on a town lynch. Which totally could be the case especially if you have a slot like EC. Also, a strong mafia player could vote their partner if it is obvious they are going to be lynched (or maybe if they are a liability).

Look again at train comps. 1 and 3 are almost the same. No scum in both? I don't believe so.

Also, I assume top-quality means you either agree with them or that they provided some great reasons there. She scumread me (partially, I think) on an interaction with EC. Who do you think she would pair scum!EC with as either alignment? Some random slot?

Great reasoning from PoE. I would have pursuited teacher in case of scum!creeper though. Now, eh, menalque is going out of the window in case of scum!creeper.

[Farkran]

Who do you think she would pair scum!EC with as either alignment? Some random slot?

You're the only available slot to her given my assumptions and her TRs. I would rather target teacher.

[Farkran]

Who do you think she would pair scum!EC with as either alignment? Some random slot?

You're the only available slot to her given my assumptions and her TRs. I would rather target teacher.

That is, before mena jumped off it. Now we'd all target mena i guess.

[emps]

yeah, I'd rather go here today

VOTE: skitt

yeah, I'd rather go here today

VOTE: mena

[emps]

and this wagon is kinda pinging me for reasons I can't talk about

Or

Radical thought

You could just

Tell us why

????

[Menalque]

Spicy

Knew there was a good reason to scumlean emps

[Menalque]

Sushi can be town

[emps]

awww man someones scumreading me for hopping off a wagon onto someone else

wait

that... sounds strangely similar. got no idea what it could be

[Menalque]

I don’t think you’re wrong so much as I think that analysis is a steaming pile of horseshit bc you’re basing it on trains and VCA is hot trash at the best of times but especially when we don’t even have a flip

[Menalque]

awww man someones scumreading me for hopping off a wagon onto someone else

wait

that... sounds strangely similar. got no idea what it could be

I mean

This is p terrible

I’ve been scumleaning you all game pretty much

And this is basically a misrep

The action may be the same — hop off onto someone else — the way in which it happens and the evolution of the reads is totally different

[Menalque]

I think it’s very easy to see how I got to scum!skitt

Seeing how you got to scum!me as town is a whole lot harder

[Menalque]

I don’t think you’re wrong so much as I think that analysis is a steaming pile of horseshit bc you’re basing it on trains and VCA is hot trash at the best of times but especially when we don’t even have a flip

@fsrk

[Menalque]

Annoyingly, I am now PoE TRing fark

[teacher]

I’m gonna be online in like 30 and tipsy. Slots happened but leave me any questions you want as well.

Men’s, is like you to put the skit evolution into words, because although I see it I want verbalizatiob.

Emps, same on mena- you earlier said way off scum meta so what changed?

[Menalque]

I’m gonna be online in like 30 and tipsy. Slots happened but leave me any questions you want as well.

Men’s, is like you to put the skit evolution into words, because although I see it I want verbalizatiob.

Emps, same on mena- you earlier said way off scum meta so what changed?

When you say tipsy

Do you mean hammered?