Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[Menalque]

Also I’m not doing that tonight teach, sorry

On my phone before I go to sleep and that’s a proper writing post

[teacher]

No, autocorrect just doesn’t like me and I don’t much care since I think the meaning is clear (slots=alots; verbalizatiob = verbalization). Fat fingers little screen and all.

[Menalque]

Also if you can see it why do you want it verbalised?

[Menalque]

I kinda see the point in seeing if the way I write it up i try to make fit or if it fits naturally being AI

But I think the odds of me slipping up there are fairly slim either way? So I don’t think you’re gonna get anything useful out of it

[teacher]

It’s more that I want to see if what I see is the same as you and I don’t want to give mine away.

[teacher]

We’re melding in one other thing and if we are melding in this I might get over my early game dislike of you.

[teacher]

@Menalque, talk to me about Skit's Emps read. I could see that by scum!skit pocketing, but

I dont think by scum!skit on a partner?

Like that read opened me up to seeing the playfulness in Emps's posts (and yes, he can powerwolf) in a more safe/open/revealing manner because I thought it was confirming my inclination on emps' alignment regardless of skitters. But do you disagree with the underlined?

You never answered this also, I don’t think.

[Menalque]

Yeah, that’s fair

You’re right, I didn’t because that’s the whole segment of game that I haven’t read holistically, only through ISOs (and therefore only hits of it)

I’ll explain both of them tokorrow

[teacher]

after what I think was my most contributive post at the time.

This, presumably, is the post you're talking about.

Spoiler:

That's the problem. I'm having trouble looking deep into things the same way you guys do. I probably just need to try harder, but maybe it's not my thing.

As for Farkran not claiming, I don't really read that either way. I don't really see it as a valid play from either town or scum. I think he has a reason for it, but I have no idea what that could be.

how does a chat mafia game play out

So far it's actually been kind of the same as this game. Random votes happen, then other things happen that I've never really been able to understand.

That's the problem. I'm having trouble looking deep into things the same way you guys do. I probably just need to try harder, but maybe it's not my thing.

As for Farkran not claiming, I don't really read that either way. I don't really see it as a valid play from either town or scum. I think he has a reason for it, but I have no idea what that could be.

how does a chat mafia game play out

Mechanically, games are mostly the same. It's just the fact that here, we have so much more time to discuss, analyze posts, etc. Deadlines are measured in days instead of minutes. I've been assuming that makes a massive difference in play, but thinking about it, I guess it's not so different after all. I also realize now that the way I brought up my past was a bit misleading - I have a lot of experience, but that doesn't make me any better at the game. There are people from PS (that's my homeworld) who analyze things just as well as people here. Maybe the problem is I've been comparing everyone on this site to myself rather than other players from PS.

i mean ... does analysis happen in your chat mafia games? like i'm confused why having more time is hindering your ability to analyze here ... ? if anything i think it'd be easier since you aren't rushed?

Problem is I never really had the ability to analyze in the first place. In addition, there's more time to go over posts, but also a lot more to go over. Like I said, it might not really be so different from here after all.

yeah I'm confident on creeper scum now.

Spam - thoughts on fark?

Spam - flesh out your creeper read?

reminder for this page that Fark is L-1

heres two questions for you Spammy.

I'd like you to flesh out your read on me too, teacher. I've shown up pretty low on your recent list, and you seemed to turn against me around the same time as Spam did.

What, exactly, does that contribute? No reads. No analysis. Just why are you scumreading me. Nope.

Im good with this going away, but think there is productive sorting left to do today, so not going to wagon hop yet.

[teacher]

Basically 519,

220.

(I mean, 223, 358, 417).

When discussing specific posts, kindly link. You do this by

Code: Select all

Basically [post]519[/post],

[post]220[/post]

[teacher]

Fine

Just loudly repeating that i still think menalque is scum

VOTE: epic

Oh, I agree. I just think creeper is better for today.

Can you walk me through your menalque thoughts? Since the reaction test, youve been sitting back and being more the D1 Spam Im familiar w.

[teacher]

Look again at train comps. 1 and 3 are almost the same. No scum in both? I don't believe so.

There have been multiple trains (4, not 3):

• 119
  on Farkran
  : Seleynee, Sushi Martyr, Emps, Menalque (Sushi unvotes after hammer test)
  
• 368
  on Farkran
  : Seleynee, emps, skitter30, teacher (Menalque gives intent in 399; Skitter leaves in 474)
  
• 540
  on Menalque
  : NMSA, Teacher, Skitter, Farkran (Teacher leaves in 541)
  
• 768
  on Creeper
  : NMSA, Seleynee, Menalque, Skitter (Menalque leaves in 790

You say 1 and 3 are almost the same. I assume you are talking about 368 and 768. But Spam is new. Emps is off. And Im off. So I dont get why you say they are so similar????

[teacher]

Skit I think were going to need to compromise, and that slot is basically the compromise. Maybe Selynee - I need to reread todays stuff, which Im not going to be able to do until tomorrow. But Menalque is off the day's list for me in the same way that Fark is for you.

Why selynee?

Because they havent been much of a presence in the game but have been on almost all the wagons except Menalque - where she certainly wasnt pushing against. Like lowkey flexing them through. Mostly because Id want to see them react to pressure.

[teacher]

Right, but you were quite clear he was town (sealso 404. So it was a slot you had seen at town and recognized a possibility it was PR, but still joined your biggest SR to try to get a claim?

Wasn't strong on menalque being town, faking PR is not a plus. My

initial 60% read i

s what i believe you would call townlean (null being 50%). And guess what, my biggest SR immediately jumped off the train BEFORE the accused had a chance to clarify his crappy defense post. I could have reconsidered my read on you slightly, had you waited, but you didn't.

You are misrepresenting your own position on Menalque. It wasnt 60%. That was 161. Right before your vote, you called him your second "most pro-town" (231), and said your "townread was increasing" (OF NECESSITY, BEYOND 60%) in 404, a point you doubled down on in 439.

To go from that, to voting the biggest wagon -- with your biggest scumread -- reeks of survivalism. And misrepresenting your position isnt great either.

[teacher]

I would have pursuited teacher in case of scum!creeper though.

Explain this logic, please?

[teacher]

Emps
Sushi
Spam
Creeper -- Null, but ok to lynch. MY only hesitation is that. as best I can figure, everyone but Fark is OK lynching this. Since I SR Fark, that doesnt much change it
Seleynee
Fark

Im intentially obscuring my position on Menalque/Skit pending Menalque's answers

[teacher]

What were you afraid of, if you believe i'm scum? That my partner would quickhammer him? Then you would have won d2 by lynching me and then mena's hammer, gg for town, am i wrong?

Logic fail. Putting a player at L-1 is inherently risky -- lolhammers happen, and Menalque had been playing scummy enough (FMPOV) to get a townie to give intent, and have him be forced to claim. I did not want a claim from him due to your vote. So yes, I leave immediately to avoid a possibility of intent if something smells off as 540's vote clearly did when measured against 404's "townread increasing."

[emps]

I’m gonna be online in like 30 and tipsy. Slots happened but leave me any questions you want as well.

Men’s, is like you to put the skit evolution into words, because although I see it I want verbalizatiob.

Emps, same on mena- you earlier said way off scum meta so what changed?

i dont get how he came to scumreading skitter and it feels forced/reachy imo

the time that he chose to hop off the creeper wagon felt off.

he feels different from 1938, but w/o meta i SR him.

i feel like ive kinda been forcing myself to not really sr him because of meta and idk if i really strongly believe in meta

[emps]

huh? why is sush i that high up teacher?

[teacher]

Recent posts have had totally natural flow, as (smh that I am saying this) fark noted. That was going into Sushi's head. Like I completely disagreed with spam's reaction.

[emps]

'm not going to argue it's a good post, or that it's productive that I wasn't doing this yesterday, but pointing out things like this and just saying "bad post" feels extremely lazy to me, possibly in a scum-motivated way

sushi i did the same thing to the creeper slot i think

pedit : fair i think they seem pretty natural but i quickly skimmed their iso and they have had 2 votes so far... one as a rvs vote on nmsa, and another on fark and she unvoted soon after.

[emps]

i think they feel really fence-sitty tbh

[emps]

but idk i do that as town sometimes tho

maybe its nai for them?

[teacher]

yea, that was my recollection of her from 1938 too. Just not troubled by how she has played.

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.10:

EpicCreeper9002 (3)-

NotMySpamAccount, Seleynee, skitter30

Farkran (1) -

teacher

teacher (1)-

Farkran

skitter30 (1)-

Menalque

Menalque (1)-

emps

Not voting (2) -

Sushi Martyr, EpicCreeper9002

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 9am BST on the 28th August 2019. (expired on 2019-08-28 09:00:00)

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