Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[Menalque]

same prob goes for skitt, but I can at least see her potentially deciding to bus once creeper seemed to be going down, and having enough confidence in her scum game to try and ride this out to the win

[Farkran]

ou guys definitely do not play by associations, do you? Back in my days everyone and their dog would have put me and nmsa together as obvious partners.

Definitely not. COmmon approach here is VCA/NKA/Sheep dead town. We value progressions over associations because scum tend not to obviously associate. This game had stronger D1 associations than most Ive seen, and I've lynched scum D1 in like half my games (new queue skews the value of D1 far over normal).

I agree about VCA and NKA. I don't really value progression, as in my experience it's easier to fake than association AND, from a town pov, it's easier to mistake bad progression as a scumtell when it's actually reconsideration or reaction testing instead. I reconsidered my progression on mostly everyone for both reasons, i don't feel bad for it - i was looking for other stuff in people's posts so i didn't really care.

[Farkran]

Oh hi there menalque

[Menalque]

so if NMSA, fark, teacher all town

then who's left?

don't think Selynee buses as early. could be TMI and distancing gone wrong tho

skitt/emps are less likely to advise the fakeclaim I think? but both have been scummy

so PoE is would give sushi as the last scum

[Menalque]

Oh hi there menalque

sup

[teacher]

same prob goes for skitt, but I can at least see her potentially deciding to bus once creeper seemed to be going down, and having enough confidence in her scum game to try and ride this out to the win

Skitts town. Scum!her doesnt whiteknight Fark who was obviously either PR or scum. She lets PR go down. Im just pissed that I was confident enough in my PR reads elsehwere that I went to scum, because her case was good.

[teacher]

Oh hi there menalque

sup

Try typing the skitter case than pointless responses. Or a concession is fine.

MY only hesitation on you is that I think you would have talked to creeper. I just cant decide if they would have listened, and the all-town wagon on you outweighs it anyway. I backed off you because I thought the scummy game open could be PR avoiding the NK, you got logical, and Fark 180ed. That PR theory is obviously out, which just leaves the scummy early game and then getting off scum wagon with intent.

[Menalque]

teacher, your late day play here is scummy

why the equivocating on the unvotes? why the rush when we have conf!scum?

if I don't think I'm ever the NK here but if I am the mislynch tomorrow I'm actually not sure about teacher!town now

[emps]

Also, if youre a PR who is unfortunately also a universal townread, a lolhammer is a good way to avoid the nk.

bro what are you teaching the newbs

I try to powerplay as every single role out there Tbh

I try not to change my pr play from my vt play so I don't eat NK

[Menalque]

don't let teacher ride out the towncred here for the win

[teacher]

VOTE: Menalque

Can I just leave this here and skip D2?

[Menalque]

posting the skitt case has less equity here than getting it in early that you're scum seeing as I'm so strongly set for a mislynch tomorrow

[Menalque]

kudos for being the first person to actually mislynch me tho

[Menalque]

there's no reason to rush day through here as town

[teacher]

ss equity here than getting it in early that you're scum seeing as I'm so strongly set for a mislynch tomorrow

actually more, since without a case on skitter, the lynch pool objectively should be (you-sushi-//-whichever one of me and emps town chooses D4). So if you want her considered, you should type it.

[emps]

Teacher did u forget sely existed

[Menalque]

I've been more reticent on fark than I think I might have been and I think you know why

This is also why I was coming around on Menalque for playing the same possibility.

I dont think Menalque is the solve tho. I think he would have discussed safeclaims - his last scum game involved a counterclaim-off. I also think he coaches in the scum-PT more -> to be active and how to respond. I mean it is certainly possible and would be fine lynching him, but want to raise that.

I need to reevaluate the other newbs.

@Menalque, in case it wasnt clear, its time to talk about your skitter evolution.

Eh, i thought for a while about whether Menalque could be NOT gamesolve, but, well... he jumped off creeper's train when it was given intent, made up some narrative about skitter (which made sense though, that is why i wanted to get menalque before creeper at the time - if he flipped scum as i thought he would, it would have cleared my doubts and we could go ahead) AND changed his playstyle based on what meta!fark did on emps. The narrative and playstyle shift were good - before he jumped off the train i literally said in my PT that i was townreading him. Jumping off the creeper train was a huge mistake.

Also i think that for some reason they couldn't communicate properly. In this setup, mafia can talk during the day in the same way masons can, am i correct? How come creeper has been playing that poorly if he could communicate with... anyone either than him here? Even i, with my inexperience of this site standards, would have told him to actually DO SOMETHING and i swear, no way he would have claimed a PR if i was his partner and he could read me.

jumping off the creeper train is literally why you should be TRing me

scum!me is never hopping off at that point

[teacher]

Then GIVE US THE SKITTER NARRATIVE

[Menalque]

ss equity here than getting it in early that you're scum seeing as I'm so strongly set for a mislynch tomorrow

actually more, since without a case on skitter, the lynch pool objectively should be (you-sushi-//-whichever one of me and emps town chooses D4). So if you want her considered, you should type it.

again, I'm never getting Nk'd here because I am so ripe for a mislynch

so it's better for me to be posting actively and catching up than to be going through trying to explain exactly what was off about skitt's ISO and progression only to find a locked thread before I can post it

[teacher]

@Emps -- I didnt forget about Sely, but she has more cred than you or I for being on Creeper. I dont think newb!scum busses that hard. I do see some associatives with the busywork question, but I think its outweighed by them putting themselves in a hard box clearing Menalque (a mislynch scum! sely needs) on a creep flip and being on wagon.

[teacher]

No, its better now because then you wont have had 48 hours to half-bake one.

[teacher]

you can catch up tomorrow, but the skitter narrative had to already exist and so it should be easy to out.

[Menalque]

do try to be protown with your invincibility though, Fark.

I genuinely tried though. My game experience is A LOT different than yours. Fakehammering was considered a dirty play, days lasted 48 hours (hence some of my posts containing SRs against people not writing much), WAY more PRs in our setups, etc.

We valued VCA and association analysis more than everything, progression is worth nothing on d1

lol you come from a very different place.

I mean seriously. However, look at the result - in the end, we gamesolved based on VCA. True that it's HEAVILY creeper's fault and our CC counts as a flip, so you could say this is already d2, but despite my crappy progression on pretty much everyone except teacher (who turned out to be town, lol, sorry mate), i arrived to the conclusion that Menalque was likely scum through my methods. NMSA didn't instruct me on WHY he thought menalque-creeper was gamesolve (but he did mention it earlier in this thread), and i was still advocating creeper at the time.

NB: remind me to make fun of this after the game, bc it's proof that VCA is trash

[Menalque]

Lynch order should prob be me-->teacher-->sushi-->skitt at this point

[Menalque]

just, fgs, after I flip town lynch teacher next