Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[teacher]

Finally you jumped off the mena wagon way too early - my reads on mena have been rollercoastering for the whole game - jumping off his train at that time (crappy defense, no claim), just because i joined, reinforced my hypotesis of scum!teacher

This only makes sense if I’m paired w Menalque, ya? Otherwise, why would scum!me who would ouch creeper as the compromise ever deny the Menalque wagon?

[Farkran]

Finally you jumped off the mena wagon way too early - my reads on mena have been rollercoastering for the whole game - jumping off his train at that time (crappy defense, no claim), just because i joined, reinforced my hypotesis of scum!teacher

This only makes sense if I’m paired w Menalque, ya? Otherwise, why would scum!me who would ouch creeper as the compromise ever deny the Menalque wagon?

That was also a possibility. I didn't think you were paired with mena (and i said so somewhere in those pages) before you jumped off, but after you did i reconsidered. Both of you were on my wagon earlier; you were 2nd on wagon (best position to enter a scum!train as scum). I was about to give you some credit when the creeper train was going on and you weren't in but menalque was - if creeper was town. Then menalque backed off and from there on i basically just lol'd at him until creeper's claim.

[teacher]

Spoiler:

deep into things the same way you guys do. I probably just need to try harder, but maybe it's not my thing.

As for Farkran not claiming, I don't really read that either way. I don't really see it as a valid play from either town or scum. I think he has a reason for it, but I have no idea what that could be.

Talk to me of this mysterious beast named "Chat Mafia"

Do they have games there?

How are they solved?

"not my thing" seems like an odd deflection from someone who actually knew what mafia was like. Does your home planet rely mostly on PR/PoE play or?

I think I get it. I don’t agree, but that is what it is.

....snip defense of Menalque......

Do you think there’s a way to get creeper in? If not, any interest?

Fair nuff. It’s my best read. I’ll go creep, but I think Menalques off my D1 list.

....snip

Skit I think were going to need to compromise, and that slot is basically the compromise. Maybe Selynee - I need to reread todays stuff, which Im not going to be able to do until tomorrow. But Menalque is off the day's list for me in the same way that Fark is for you.

Snip (defense of Menalque).

after what I think was my most contributive post at the time.

This, presumably, is the post you're talking about.

....snip spoiler of 516....

What, exactly, does that contribute? No reads. No analysis. Just why are you scumreading me. Nope.

Im good with this going away, but think there is productive sorting left to do today, so not going to wagon hop yet.

Menalque, you really think I’m the most likely slot left to be paired with creep?

Fark, you really think I’m second most likely?

[Farkran]

Fark, you really think I’m second most likely?

In the remotely distant universe where menalque flips town, sure, why not

Your progression on creeper is good, but as i said i'd rather value VCA. You weren't on creeper train, yet you happily joined mine and mena's. Jumping off mena's after i joined is still a pretty scummy move regardless of result.

[teacher]

That’s one we will have today about postgame. For me your shift made you either PR or scum since you joined me (a known scumread) on a slot you had said was your second highest town with townread increasing. Since I thought I had identified the PRs (keep in mind my 458 crumb of catching 30/32 was before this), I think jumping off is actually evidence of a town thought process consistent with my published read on you. Certainly I don’t resist Menalque by pushing my partner in his place, I would think?

[EpicCreeper9002]

Jeez you all finally came together for something and now you're arguing more than ever

[emps]

nah, I'm going to bed, lynch order should be teacher-->skitt-->sushi

but bc you're (town collectively) bad you're gonna mislynch me first, so my revised order is me-->teacher-->skitt-->sushi

although do be v susp of emps if he's in lylo, but then again prob just be susp of everyone

ah yes be sus of me if I don't get NKed instead of the conftown masons

[emps]

the last 4-5ish pages feel like Mena is trying to convince teacher he's scum instead of the rest of us tbh

[teacher]

Emps is also towncleared by intenting creep in 773 as well as creep horrible “reaction test” (not to mention skits read)
Skit is by wagon presence, reads of emps me and sushi - too many hard commitments to be scum liking to compbus D1, and likely to better advise

Pool = mena, me, sushi, selynee

As long as you all don’t lynch sushi I’m fine w whatever order you want.

[teacher]

Jeez you all finally came together for something and now you're arguing more than ever

Can’t decide if this is actually town spewing Menalque or intended to do so.

[emps]

Idk maybe it's coached?

[Farkran]

That’s one we will have today about postgame. For me your shift made you either PR or scum since you joined me (a known scumread) on a slot you had said was your second highest town with townread increasing. Since I thought I had identified the PRs (keep in mind my 458 crumb of catching 30/32 was before this), I think jumping off is actually evidence of a town thought process consistent with my published read on you. Certainly I don’t resist Menalque by pushing my partner in his place, I would think?

I can see you declaring to bus your partner - yet refusing to actualize it until the very last moments - in place of going at menalque in this particular scenario. That's not so different than what mena actually did before the endgame lols if you look at VC only.

Also mena has always been a solid lynchbait this game and everyone was TRing you. You would have killed nmsa n1 and go for either me or mena d2. Low winning odds, true. Could you have improved them by lynching mena d1? I don't think so.

[Farkran]

Emps is also towncleared by intenting creep in 773 as well as creep horrible “reaction test” (not to mention skits read)
Skit is by wagon presence, reads of emps me and sushi - too many hard commitments to be scum liking to compbus D1, and likely to better advise

Pool = mena, me, sushi, selynee

As long as you all don’t lynch sushi I’m fine w whatever order you want.

100% agree with this

[emps]

I dunno it doesn't seem very tonally different

[emps]

Votecount 1.3:

Menalque (1) -

teacher, NotMySpamAccount

Farkran (2) -

Seleynee, emps

teacher (1) -

Farkran

NotMySpamAccount (1) -

Menalque

Not voting (3) -

skitter30, Sushi Martyr, EpicCreeper9002

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 9am BST on the 28th August 2019. (expired on 2019-08-28 09:00:00)[/b]

Something is wrong here because Menalque has 1 and 2 votes.


I have no clue how you people can read into things so much - I've barely noticed anything off with anyone. I do think the argument about skitters is getting absolutely nowhere, but that doesn't really help with reads.

Question: What are the rules on modifying quotes? Like, could I cut out the deadline part of the message I quoted since it's not really necessary? Could I take sub-quotes out so a post isn't so long? Could I lie by changing the lynches up?

oh my god I was isoing him for tone his question was actually hella scummy the whole part where they asked if they could lie

[emps]

why didn't we lynch this so much earlier I'm so bad...

[skitter30]

I've only skimmed the last 15 pages or so but happy i read fark and nmsa right

[emps]

he has no other posts that use "Jeez" so maybe coached? I'll do some more stuff once I get home if thread is still unlocked

[teacher]

I dunno it doesn't seem very tonally different

?
Ah the coached thing.
Plush I believe Menalques already a bed, but perhaps he asked when creeper popped in the first time. I do think it’s a mild townpoint for him though.

PEDIT: is it too much to read into the Menalque botecount catch too?

[skitter30]

I'm here for a bit but i dont have a great sense of what you guys are talkinh about rn, i skimmed like 15 pages in ten min

[emps]

I dunno I did something similar in my first scumgame where I was probably more worried about my scumbuddy being lynched than I was

[teacher]

I've only skimmed the last 15 pages or so but happy i read fark and nmsa right

That’s enough. What are your thoughts on Menalque - ate or town? I don’t get why he wouldn’t answer.

[emps]

we're debating whether or not a post is coached/looking at creeper/mena stuffs

[emps]

I've done the whole "fuck u I'm obvtown smh" as scum before as well

yeah I was really desperate in lylo lol

[skitter30]

I've only skimmed the last 15 pages or so but happy i read fark and nmsa right

That’s enough. What are your thoughts on Menalque - ate or town? I don’t get why he wouldn’t answer.

Ate

If he had a case on mr it'd be easy for him to say it, i think he's working to stave off the lynch tom and try to create other viable lynch options