Mini Normal 2095 - Game Over!

[Emperor flippyNips]

Your involvement in the game fell off a cliff the moment Alisae entered and went all guns blazing on me. I could imagine that if you were scum and me and Alisae are both Town, that you wouldn’t want to do anything to get in the way of such a situation.

oh okay. that's fair. no. I just wanted to see if Ali found something I missed, or if Ali's push was super scummy but I fell too behind & have basically been mobile & haven't had time t read through the thread really. if people are still feeling that datisi is the best im down for that.

[Datisi]

At this point I don't think Luca's the correct lynch, at least not today.

VOTE: Emperor
You unvoted me, said you'd go through sorting Luca, now you come and say you've done nothing but "you're down for my lynch if people are still feeling that."
Yeah right.

[Emperor flippyNips]

I mean you’re the last person I voted. So obviously I’m most comfortable voting you. No ones doing anything that dumb.

[Emperor flippyNips]

Then with how Ali was talking about e’s interaction with Luca makes it seem like it’s was pointless trolling so Idt I’ll get much off of that.

[Emperor flippyNips]

@luca— how do you feel about Ali?

[Emperor flippyNips]

Actually that goes for everyone

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Caught up, expect a storm of posts tonight. I definitely don’t want to lynch Luca today so.

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

@Nippy: I think I made it clear that this is town!Ali based on my own experience with 'em

[Alisae]

what shocks me about A50 is that he's always correct about me but its almost always for the wrong reasons
it triggers me when I'm scum

[Emperor flippyNips]

@Nippy: I think I made it clear that this is town!Ali based on my own experience with 'em

Hmmm. Okay. I’ll trust you 50


VOTE: datisi

[Tchill13]

please lynch datisi and end the day

[Chemist1422]

VC 1.11

Emperor flippyNips (2)

- Luca Blight, Datisi

Datisi (2)

- Tchill13, Emperor flippyNips

Luca Blight (1)

- Alisae

Alisae (1)

- Iconeum

Not Voting (3)

- Almost50, Klick, Lil Uzi Vert

With 9 alive, majority is 5.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-08-28 07:00:00)

Notes

Klick is V/LA for a few days.
Iconeum is V/LA for the weekend.
Lil Uzi Vert replaces Billy Pilgrim.

[Emperor flippyNips]

Spoiler:

[Luca Blight]

The reasons why I'm now feeling Datisi is more likely Town:

420 - Looking back, the fact she agrees wth the basis of mosts of the thing I've said yet still maintains the gut scumread on me seems sincere; doing this as scum would only make her scumread a harder sell.

855 - I don't agree with her reasons for scumreading me here, but it doesn't feel like she's reaching or stretching the reasoning. I also don't agree with her reasoning for townreading Ali here (as I said, it would be beneficial for scum to defend Datisi in this situation) but again I can sort of see why she thinks this.

859 - Pertient question to discover Billy' motive.

871 This has an honest, Townie feeling to it.

1021 - I like the question to Icon at the end.

Reading over the Icon/Datisi interaction, I get the feeling they are both Town who are genuiely trying to work each other out. To be fair though, Icon has been a very comfortable townread since before Ali's replace-in: The Town-motivation is so clear to see from his posts that I can't understand why people are scumreading him.

1037 - I can understand this POV.

1049 - Both of her points here have a Townie-feel to them, particularly her point that Icon's actions likely mean he has no agenda behind them.

1066 and 1069 - I like the progression here - questioning the mindset and then logically reconsidering her read.

I could go on, but I feel pretty good about Datisi being Town right now. My vote is pretty well glued to Flippy for today, because I literally have no scumread on anyone else.

[Luca Blight]

I'm starting to really get a feeling that the scumteam is Tchill/Flippy. This is partly based on POE, but also because of the following I've outlined below.

From about 108, Flippy starts going after Tchill early on based on next to nothing. This seemed a Townie move by Nippy at the time, because if we take the scenrio of Tchill being Town and Flippy being scum then it would be unnecessarily risking making an enemy early on D1.

184 - This was a good point by Tchill against Flippy, and this was a big reason why I had an early TR on Tchill; because his argument against Flippy was legit.

187 Again, good points about Flippy, but now he's giving him an 'out' - a scenario where he could be Town despite everything he has said.

195 - Another good point against Flippy

208 - Ends the interest in pursuing Flippy. Just like Tchill's point about Icon and Datisi being possible partners because Icon dropped his push, the same could apply here. The Icon and Datisi situation seems a lot more pure, however, as they have been trying to work each other out throughout the game, whereas Flippy and Tchill pretty much leave each other be (or defend each other) after this.

234 Now, just as the pressure is cranking up on Flippy, Tchill jumps in to defend him. The reason why he is able to commit to such a defence is due to the early distancing work.

235 - Begins his focus on Datisi in an attempt to take the pressure off of Flippy.

321, 403 - Shades Klick. Nothing massively wrong with this, but in a game where there are so few ML targets I could understand wanting to create a bit more doubt over certain players.

410, 411 - Begins the Icon/Datisi association.

Around the 977 mark, Tchill is being consistent with his TR of me, but seems pretty passive about the situation, given how hard my lynch is being pushed at this point.

I completely disagree with 995 - The Datisi/Icon interaction seemed genuine to me.

996 -

"I don't see how you can debate in a hypothetical where icon, Datisi, and Luca were all town."

- I really don't see why we couldn't all be town (in fact I now believe we all are).

1170 - Defends Flippy and tries to get me back on the Datisi wagon.

1235 - Calls for a Datisi lynch again, seems a bit desperate now.

[Emperor flippyNips]

what happens when I flip town. who's scum then Luca?

[Luca Blight]

To sum up, I believe Tchill and Flippy intentionally distanced themselves from each other early on, which in turn gave reason for them to be townread for being aggressive/pushing the game forawrd without risking a making a Town enemy in the process. I have literally done the same thing as this as scum myself in the past - it's so much easier to be aggressive as scum against your partner early on than it is against a Townie. They then call a 'truce', and when Flippy's wagon was actually being seriously pushed, Tchill then jumps in and defends him, while trying to transfer the pressure over to Datisi instead. Tchill has continued to defend Flippy when needed and is now desperately trying to push Datisi's lynch as the tide seems to be turning.

[Emperor flippyNips]

how long have you been feeling tchll is scum? I don't think you thought that around the time I was pushing him

[Emperor flippyNips]

I wish I could distance that well. especially with no day chat

[Emperor flippyNips]

my last scum game when my partner was around I hardly acknowledged them

[Luca Blight]

what happens when I flip town. who's scum then Luca?

I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

I don't really have any good reason to believe you're Town at the moment.

[Emperor flippyNips]

and also since when have I really been getting town read? you said you tr me early on for not knowing there was no day chat. then It flipped when I got busy and wasn't here as much. other than that from what I recall everyone has said the jury is out on me

[Luca Blight]

how long have you been feeling tchll is scum? I don't think you thought that around the time I was pushing him

You're right, I didn't, and I said as much in my post above.

It's been a feeling that has grown recently, based on PoE, paranoia due to Tchill being a good player (which you said yourself earlier) and the fact he seems a bit desperate that Datisi is lynched instead of you.

Looking back, the only reasons I Townread Tchill were because of his arguments against you - which now lose their effect given you're a likely scum partner to him.

[Emperor flippyNips]

so what if datisi is really scum & she's just sitting back letting you push me so you take the brunt end of things

[Emperor flippyNips]

that was y whole reason for pushing chill when I did