Newbie 1953 | Zooborns IV | Game Over

[Dyrenz]

I frequently post from work so if my attention span seems rather intermittent, that is why.

Chemist's reactions to the early votes on Leucosticte are exactly why I was hesitant to RVS and why I unvoted right after. Makes you look scummy

[Chemist1422]

Not really. I don’t think we should put any voters away from the equation just because they didn’t hammer.

So then why does this not apply to Micc and skitter?

[Chemist1422]

I frequently post from work so if my attention span seems rather intermittent, that is why.

Chemist's reactions to the early votes on Leucosticte are exactly why I was hesitant to RVS and why I unvoted right after. Makes you look scummy

...?

[Mr Oobsy]

I judge

Leucostictie

,

Jamelia

, and myself to be

Town

. Sadly the odds are still against me hitting a scum with a random vote at this point, so I will try to narrow down at least one additional player between now and my next post.

[Dyrenz]

welp since the other SEs are doing it I might as well

don’t listen to peer pressure, or you’ll end up like me

VOTE: leucodticte

ik there’s a typo but my phone won’t let me fix it

This just seemed kinda scummy. You defend it as RVS but the whole joke about peer pressure seemed like a sarcastic self-defense of your vote. Micc started the vote with the whole "hard to type" joke, Skitter jumps on board without much of a word (may need to look more at him) and you jump on joking about bandwagoning which is a tongue-in-cheek way of actually trying to saying "Haha don't wagon because of peer pressure" while you literally try to wagon due to peer pressure.

[Dyrenz]

welp since the other SEs are doing it I might as well

don’t listen to peer pressure, or you’ll end up like me

VOTE: leucodticte

ik there’s a typo but my phone won’t let me fix it

This just seemed kinda scummy. You defend it as RVS but the whole joke about peer pressure seemed like a sarcastic self-defense of your vote. Micc started the vote with the whole "hard to type" joke, Skitter jumps on board without much of a word (may need to look more at him) and you jump on joking about bandwagoning which is a tongue-in-cheek way of actually trying to saying "Haha don't wagon because of peer pressure" while you literally try to wagon due to peer pressure.

[Dyrenz]

Oh god I double clicked, sorry!

[Chemist1422]

That's what 6 people now that have called my opening post scummy

[Dyrenz]

I see what you mean there, the irony is not lost on me

[Chemist1422]

Do you have anything specific to ask me about that?
Have you read my earlier defenses?

[Jamelia]

I don’t necessarily think Chemist’s post was scummy, and with the bandwagon of people (way more than the majority) thinking so, I guess I’m more inclined to think he is town sided?

I keep re-reading it waiting to be like oh yeah, that was super scummy. But it wasn’t to me

[Dyrenz]

So Skitter jumped on Micc's vote, then immediately turned and started shaming Chemist for jumping on as well.

A few scenarios in my mind

A) Skitter is town, drawing out a potential wagon push from scum. Chemist is scum, taking Skitter's bait.
B) Skitter is scum, baiting out an unsuspecting townie whom he can then try to push a mislynch on. Chemist is town and takes the bait.
C) Both are town and someone else is pushing the mislynch as a red herring

[Dyrenz]

Do you have anything specific to ask me about that?
Have you read my earlier defenses?

Yes, and that is why I haven't voted for you

[Chemist1422]

So Skitter jumped on Micc's vote, then immediately turned and started shaming Chemist for jumping on as well.

A few scenarios in my mind

A) Skitter is town, drawing out a potential wagon push from scum. Chemist is scum, taking Skitter's bait.
B) Skitter is scum, baiting out an unsuspecting townie whom he can then try to push a mislynch on. Chemist is town and takes the bait.
C) Both are town and someone else is pushing the mislynch as a red herring

good detective work

which one do you think is the most likely?

[skitter30]

It happens fairly often in newbie games, surprisingly enough. If he doesnt show up soonish plot will replace him

And idk yet
Trying to articulate: Your posts feel kinda lamist (look at me i'm so town) and feel busy-work-y sorta

I wouldn't be overly surprised if he doesn't show up. I just wouldn't attribute it to memory.

My read on you remains unchanged - slightly towards Town.

Why am i slightly townie?

Also, i think norwegianboy is kinda townie

[skitter30]

Hi! I’m sorry for my inactivity. I didn’t check if we had started last night and woke up this morning and ran to the forum haha.

I’ve never played mafia on this board before (or in this community) but I’m looking forward to it!

Got any thoughts on the game so far?

I’ll be completely honest I don’t understand the automatic accusations? I don’t think anyone has done anything too scummy but obviously I am still new to the MS meta.

This is a partner-y sort of post if chemist is scun

[Jamelia]

Hi! I’m sorry for my inactivity. I didn’t check if we had started last night and woke up this morning and ran to the forum haha.

I’ve never played mafia on this board before (or in this community) but I’m looking forward to it!

Got any thoughts on the game so far?

I’ll be completely honest I don’t understand the automatic accusations? I don’t think anyone has done anything too scummy but obviously I am still new to the MS meta.

This is a partner-y sort of post if chemist is scun

Hmm. Next time should I just agree with what everyone else is saying? If the goal is to find out who mafia is, and we have more than the majority of the game jumping on the bandwagon, odds are Chemist shouldn’t be scum right? Like I obviously can be wrong here but if we’re going on the logic of “well other people did it then so will I”, then a lot of people have seem scummy so far.

[skitter30]

What is even the purpose of putting someone that's barely said anything into L-2? That's what i cannot understand.
It seemed like you were hoping for the town to hammer a vote on him without even giving him time to talk.
If you didn't get that from what i was saying earlier then i wonder if we have some deeper communication issues at play here. Because that's the point I've been trying to make since the beginning of my accusation.

I mean, tbf, three votes in a game this size is l-2, which is not that many
I dont really think he was angling for a hammer just there

[skitter30]

?? Then what was it?
Please explain.

It was an RVS vote

You might claim your vote was meaningless, but that's not the way i saw it. In my mind you were trying to achieve a lynch with little to no discussion, then when the people reacted to your push and retracted their own votes you changed your story.

Hey, can you describe ur previous mafia experience, if any?

[skitter30]

, I simply separated players into 2 teams based on whether one voted against the other.

I mean, if scum know that you're clearing people for doing this, all they have to do is vote a partnet to be tead as unaligned

[skitter30]

Not really. I don’t think we should put any voters away from the equation just because they didn’t hammer.

On your previous site, how do lynches work / go down?

[skitter30]

A) Skitter is town, drawing out a potential wagon push from scum. Chemist is scum, taking Skitter's bait.

Lets go with option A
(At least on my side)

Also i'm a she

Also

VOTE: farren

[skitter30]

Hmm. Next time should I just agree with what everyone else is saying? If the goal is to find out who mafia is, and we have more than the majority of the game jumping on the bandwagon, odds are Chemist shouldn’t be scum right? Like I obviously can be wrong here but if we’re going on the logic of “well other people did it then so will I”, then a lot of people have seem scummy so far.

A) i didnt say you should automatically agree with everyone else

B) the post read like you were trying to diffuse the wagon on chemist

[Micc]

chemist hasn't done a great job defending from the pressure being aimed at him for the L-2 RVS vote which catches eye because that's really not a hard stance to defend.

I'd also like to ask that any of the newbies who haven't read Plot's introduction and advice post to do that and ask any theory related questions they have in the thread. Blindly claiming in your first post and speculating about PR's are strategically bad decisions, and if nothing else, I'd like player to understand why by the end of the game.

These are my hot takes from a real quick catch up to where I left off with the thread last night.

[Micc]

UNVOTE: chemist1422
VOTE: Dyrenz

I frequently post from work so if my attention span seems rather intermittent, that is why.

Chemist's reactions to the early votes on Leucosticte are exactly why I was hesitant to RVS and why I unvoted right after. Makes you look scummy

So Skitter jumped on Micc's vote, then immediately turned and started shaming Chemist for jumping on as well.

A few scenarios in my mind

A) Skitter is town, drawing out a potential wagon push from scum. Chemist is scum, taking Skitter's bait.
B) Skitter is scum, baiting out an unsuspecting townie whom he can then try to push a mislynch on. Chemist is town and takes the bait.
C) Both are town and someone else is pushing the mislynch as a red herring

Don't like these posts. The first is an admission that Dyrenz altered his play based on how he thought it would be received by other players. I think that's a thought that comes from a scum mindset and not a town one. I think the first line in the second post is a misrepresentation of what happened. Additionally the analysis doesn't come to a conclusion which raises a red flag that his goal was to make an analysis not to make a read. Something I also think is more likely to come from scum than town.