Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Chandra Nalaar]

We are playing a game with a good mod. There is no such thing as a D1 lynch based solely on mechanics.

It is so frustrating to me that people try to make this type of argument in literally every game.

[ofrhz]

You can help me wagon JJD

He's voting for Marquis primarily because of what I think are bad mechanical reasons

And he's scummy even taking that out of the equation

[Day One Wagon]

Pops town - I just looked at Marquis miller claim now (I forgot he did that and I had to go check after Jingle said it) and I saw Pop voting Marquis right away, that feels really towny

If pops is scum, what does she do differently?

I'd expect scum to discuss how to handle miller claim that is outisde of miller hood and not to jump in right away with a vote

Also HotTake: There is zero/one scum in ofrhz/D1L/Gork, That's a MAX id 1 scum in this pool, but probably none.

Why you do this?

[Marquis]

Checking in before bed - I'm at L-3 and looks like the hood effect is revealed.
I'm unable to fullclaim, but my role is confirmed town upon certain conditions.

I know it's a biased remark, but I also agree with Ceph re: setup mechanics with my hood.
From a moderator perspective it makes no sense to design a untouchable neighborhood around 2 multivoters and 1 unknown and make the unknown the scum role. If I were scum here it'd set the team up for unnecessary attention or failure from the outset.

I can confirm it seems the theme of our hood's powers is strength early game and reduced from then on. I don't think increased vote power rules out one of the others being scum, but last I checked Vecna seemed really town and Bingle I'm ambivalent on.

I should have time to actually catch up tomorrow.
But I'm also seeing we've reached 40 pages - I do prefer a quicker lynch... of course I'd rather it not be me since it seems like a RVS wagon some people are hanging onto purely because they can and probably aren't being pressured about it... VOTE: Pine because from past experiences I'd have expected much more of an impact from him within the first few IRL days, and also because it's a viable competing wagon I have neutral to good feelings about.

[Marquis]

Your voting powers decline over time so you best hope we lynch scum today, but it's such a waste NOT to be using your powers today (it's like being a N1 Cop/Doctor/Whatever and NOT submitting an action on N1. You feel??)

I will also say if it weren't me on the chopping block, I'd probably say this too!

But I feel that the way this wagon built up and has stayed built up feels like a lynch of convenience only later driven by faulty setup spec - like everyone else I've been looking at who's been townreading me and it's quite a few, but most of the votes on the wagon seem to have jumped on in RVS/before the miller thing was fully hashed out, and how they haven't moved should be concerning people :/

I'm annoyed I have to make this case for myself because it honestly feels silly and I'm not used to being the day 1 lynchbait

[ofrhz]

Pine has been low activity as either alignment in the recent games I've played with him

Do you have reads on either JJD or FL, Marquis?

[Day One Wagon]

Your voting powers decline over time so you best hope we lynch scum today, but it's such a waste NOT to be using your powers today (it's like being a N1 Cop/Doctor/Whatever and NOT submitting an action on N1. You feel??)

I will also say if it weren't me on the chopping block, I'd probably say this too!

But I feel that the way this wagon built up and has stayed built up feels like a lynch of convenience only later driven by faulty setup spec - like everyone else I've been looking at who's been townreading me and it's quite a few, but most of the votes on the wagon seem to have jumped on in RVS/before the miller thing was fully hashed out, and how they haven't moved should be concerning people :/

I'm annoyed I have to make this case for myself because it honestly feels silly and I'm not used to being the day 1 lynchbait

Um, Isn't only RVS remnant vote on your wagon just Pine's vote?

Also, what happened to your scumreadd on Pops and scumlean on me? You just want lynch lurker, who claimed to be busy IRL just because they're another fairly big wagon?

You asked to end day early to get flips, so mister mafia veteran, can you explain us why Pine's flip would be useful for us?

[Perry Pelican]

StOp UsInG oUtEd InFo To PiCk ThE lYnCh!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

since I'm scumreading you and you seem to think it's misguided.

I don't think you're misguided. I think you're "scum"guided (that's a new word. All rights reserved). Now I need to verify if that's the case.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Your voting powers decline over time so you best hope we lynch scum today, but it's such a waste NOT to be using your powers today (it's like being a N1 Cop/Doctor/Whatever and NOT submitting an action on N1. You feel??)

I will also say if it weren't me on the chopping block, I'd probably say this too!

But I feel that the way this wagon built up and has stayed built up feels like a lynch of convenience only later driven by faulty setup spec - like everyone else I've been looking at who's been townreading me and it's quite a few, but most of the votes on the wagon seem to have jumped on in RVS/before the miller thing was fully hashed out, and how they haven't moved should be concerning people :/

I'm annoyed I have to make this case for myself because it honestly feels silly and I'm not used to being the day 1 lynchbait

Alright. Since I have made my thoughts clear enough I can live with you no getting lynched today. I still think you have a high probability flipping red, and the fact you can't get investigated makes it unlikely for me to change my view, but I am also counting on your hood members being virtually unkillable to carry on with the job after I'm gone.

For now, I will sheep Vecna (Bingle isn't voting and kuribo's voting fish who is now my 5th strongest TR)

VOTE: Chandra

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Also. I dunno who told you Pine was your competing wagon. By my count you're only his second voter. My switch should make you and Chandra at 5 votes each.

[Vecna]

I think y’all have it backwards.

There’s definitely scum in the reflexive Roleblocker neighborhood. Why wouldn’t there be? It forces people to actually have to sort within them and we have to make lynched within.

I don't think anyone said that hood was all town unless I missed something. That's explicitly why some people are voting for Marquis

I feel like this is really bad reasoning, and is ultimately just trying to outthink the mod (which is often a very bad idea, especially with level one logic). It gets even worse if you use the JJD logic and go a step further to just townclear me and bingle because of abilities that only work during the first few days, and thus conclude the remaining person has to be scum because the hood really oughta have exactly one scum.

This is not me defending marquis. I really dont have a read there one way or the other. I just want proper reasoning for votes. Using assumptions on scum to hood distribution ratios is very dangerous.

[Day One Wagon]

Hottake - what if we wagon Kagami?

[Perry Pelican]

Don't like how you asked but done and done

VOTE: Kagami

[Day One Wagon]

Don't like how you asked but done and done

VOTE: Kagami

Well, seems like we aren't pressuring Marquis, so I need direct my attention elsewhere and Kagami was asking for it quite a while now

VOTE: Kagami

I can't really find anything useful in her ISO besides bunch of gutreads and she ignored my proposal to engage me, yet I'm her lynch candidate for today

[Perry Pelican]

Well let me ask how you feel about FL skirting around day 1 the way he is.

Also do you have experience with Croag?

[Day One Wagon]

Well let me ask how you feel about FL skirting around day 1 the way he is.

Also do you have experience with Croag?

I don't think building wagon on FL would change anything and I'm not sold on him being scum either to go for his lynch, Marquis red flip would give strong feel of FL flipping scum for panic unvote

I don't think I've ever played with Croag

[Vecna]

Well let me ask how you feel about FL skirting around day 1 the way he is.

Also do you have experience with Croag?

youre not getting a towny vibe from the slot?

[Perry Pelican]

What's there not to love?

[popsofctown]

Pops town - I just looked at Marquis miller claim now (I forgot he did that and I had to go check after Jingle said it) and I saw Pop voting Marquis right away, that feels really towny

If pops is scum, what does she do differently?

I'd expect scum to discuss how to handle miller claim that is outisde of miller hood and not to jump in right away with a vote

I was unclaimed at that point and was of the view that the miller hood should go unclaimed

[popsofctown]

Your voting powers decline over time so you best hope we lynch scum today, but it's such a waste NOT to be using your powers today (it's like being a N1 Cop/Doctor/Whatever and NOT submitting an action on N1. You feel??)

I will also say if it weren't me on the chopping block, I'd probably say this too!

But I feel that the way this wagon built up and has stayed built up feels like a lynch of convenience only later driven by faulty setup spec - like everyone else I've been looking at who's been townreading me and it's quite a few, but most of the votes on the wagon seem to have jumped on in RVS/before the miller thing was fully hashed out, and how they haven't moved should be concerning people :/

I'm annoyed I have to make this case for myself because it honestly feels silly and I'm not used to being the day 1 lynchbait

Why would you be a miller in a game with a neighborhood that investigates as town, but also, why would you be a miller, when you roleblock anyone who targets you, so a cop will always receive "no result btw you're VT now", and the cop would never have any reason to care you're a miller, and the same for hider.

There's two possibilities:
1. Occam's Razor is you just lolclaimed miller early in D1 as scum which is usually a good strategy in a large theme, but you forgot to think more about your neighborhood
2. Your role exists only to interact with some kind of Strong (can't be stopped) Loyal (only works on town) PR that's somewhere in the setup and is the most awkward peg ever, and then it's still unlikely. If that's really the case it's just bad mod beats that you'd get mislynched for it, it'd be like the time Skullduggery gave me the role "You can ask the mod a yes or no question, but only after your dead so it doesn't affect the game", then also put a role that interacted with the dead thread to create in-game advantage in the same damn game. The thing to do there is to actually not truthfully claim your role because it's such an outlier, really, but I didn't know better, and town!Marquis didn't know better. But I don't think this is a town!Marquis.


Third possibility is that you think you can hardclaim and retract claims all the time as both alignments I guess. I'm sometimes in the mood and sometimes have the energy to read through a player's bad actions and make the hard counter-LAL read, but you're not enough of an exception for me, I'd be happier with LAL.


I agree lynching Marquis because he doesn't control many votes is weak, that's not why I want to lynch him.

[popsofctown]

since I'm scumreading you and you seem to think it's misguided.

I don't think you're misguided. I think you're "scum"guided (that's a new word. All rights reserved). Now I need to verify if that's the case.

town!pops wants to mislynch you 50% of the time so far, unfortunately, why is wanting to mislynch you scum indicative for me?

[popsofctown]

The point of the Chandra Nalaar account is to not roleplay and make references that break canon like "heat vision" and break my heart

Flame on!

I guess that's at least not DC comics.

pedit: If I could grant Pelipper the Strong modifier before this dayvig I think I would

I'll do push-ups for it.

Pelipper learned Bulk Up!

[popsofctown]

@pops: Would you care to engage me now? Would you care to show me your homework? How are your reads progressing so far?

orfhz is acting townier than her towngame, which is kind of a weird place to go with a meta tell but seems like a good enough reason to townbin the slot. She's being more relational than I've seen her be in previous 2 games.

Pelipper's play seems towny but like I'm going to be willing to lynch him for the rest of the game no matter how well he plays because of the scumslip. It's a tell that isn't 100% but is at an X% that certainly outclasses my accuracy at reading people with normal social deduction. Which is rather unfun for both of us.

Kagami's discussed.

D1 lynch seems townish probably.

Reads on Vecna, FL, and Jingle are progressing pretty slowly.

Once someone outed your main your posts started striking me differently, though I think it'd be irresponsible to overrate meta and completely discard my initial vibes about your slot. But counting on my fingers you're the 4th scummiest slot in the game for me so I don't think you should get worked up about that?

[Bingle]

Occam's Razor is you just lolclaimed miller early in D1 as scum which is usually a good strategy in a large theme, but you forgot to think more about your neighborhood

I’m in the same neighborhood and actually a miller, so...

Like, why even is Marquis being wagoned?