Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Chandra Nalaar]

It really is fascinating how this account gets run up so consistently when I'm actually playing a better and more obvious town game than I would on my main account but people just vote me because they dont like me (and convince themselves theres somehow scum equity in whatever I did to piss them off). Mafia is far more of a popularity contest than it should be.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I still dont understand what's so town about ofhrz, even though I hated their recent posts less.

[Day One Wagon]

Occam's Razor is you just lolclaimed miller early in D1 as scum which is usually a good strategy in a large theme, but you forgot to think more about your neighborhood

I’m in the same neighborhood and actually a miller, so...

Like, why even is Marquis being wagoned?

Because he's avoiding to do anything useful and demanding to end day

Who we should wagon instead then?

[Perry Pelican]

Something something Kagami.

[popsofctown]

Occam's Razor is you just lolclaimed miller early in D1 as scum which is usually a good strategy in a large theme, but you forgot to think more about your neighborhood

I’m in the same neighborhood and actually a miller, so...

Like, why even is Marquis being wagoned?

You are both millers

Meaning when you are targeted, the action behaves as though you are mafia

But you are in a neighborhood where you are a reflexive vanillizer

Meaning when you are targeted, the action behaves as though the action does not behave

what the eff

[popsofctown]

It really is fascinating how this account gets run up so consistently when I'm actually playing a better and more obvious town game than I would on my main account but people just vote me because they dont like me (and convince themselves theres somehow scum equity in whatever I did to piss them off). Mafia is far more of a popularity contest than it should be.

I like you

I like Kagami

Trying really hard to fight popularity contest meta on his lynch

That's probably where things go

After this wtf stuff about miller vaniller's is sorted

[popsofctown]

I still dont understand what's so town about ofhrz, even though I hated their recent posts less.

Have you played with ofhrz before? I find her pretty scummy when she's town; she's less scummy than that here although probably scummy for an unmeta'ed player. So I have her town.

[popsofctown]

So is there maybe a neighborhood composed entirely of Strong Loyal people? I guess????

Their roles would not work on the Miller Vanillerizers but would work on the "investigates as mafia" people.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Have you played with ofhrz before?

no

[Chandra Nalaar]

It's pretty hard to sell me on a D1 Kagami lynch ever because town Kagami is so valuable in later days

I also don't see much issue in his posting other than there not being very much of it - he's seemed to take a back seat like this in the last few games I've played with him

[Pine]

You know, putting on almost 10 pages overnight is not making a catchup easier or more enticing

[kuribo]

How the fuck do you have a miller that's a reflexive roleblocking vanillaizer

A roleblocking vanillaizer makes a miller modifier moot since no one can get an investigation result on them anyway

[Chandra Nalaar]

@pops if ofhrz is supposed to be scummy, yet you're giving them a pass for not being scummy enough, how would you propose we ever read this player?

[Chandra Nalaar]

There are scum in the players on the sidelines for sure. There are so many guns blazing that not posting and irrelevant posting are pretty great moves here.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Vote Pine

We miss you. Won't you come home?

[popsofctown]

@pops if ofhrz is supposed to be scummy, yet you're giving them a pass for not being scummy enough, how would you propose we ever read this player?

I am reading her I TR her right now.
She's posted a serious of post I would scumread if there was any other username next to it and I townread her for making those posts for me.
Please just trust me as though I am good at mafia.

[popsofctown]

hider can hide behind me it's safe
vecna me Chandra kuribo fish gork all town
everyone else pls start towntelljnh

This... this actually needs votes I think.

Looking back, marquis only claimed miller super early and hasn’t claimed it again since I outed the first bit of our neighborhood.

Occam's Razor is you just lolclaimed miller early in D1 as scum which is usually a good strategy in a large theme, but you forgot to think more about your neighborhood

I’m in the same neighborhood and actually a miller, so...

Like, why even is Marquis being wagoned?

You're getting dissonant, you need to stick with 1 decision about whether to bus him man

[Chandra Nalaar]

@pops if ofhrz is supposed to be scummy, yet you're giving them a pass for not being scummy enough, how would you propose we ever read this player?

I am reading her I TR her right now.
She's posted a serious of post I would scumread if there was any other username next to it and I townread her for making those posts for me.
Please just trust me as though I am good at mafia.

I will for the time being, but everyone always has at least one meta-warrior defender at all times, it seems.

[popsofctown]

You can always go read the meta yourself/ask for the games but it's lots of work
I can see how it sucks
I can't pretend not to hold the beliefs I hold though etc

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm not good at meta, so I don't rely on it much. I've also seen it mislead people who think they're good at it pretty routinely, so it doesn't seem like an important skill to develop.

[popsofctown]

I'm not good at meta, or scumhunting, or reading orfhz, or aiming night actions

I am bad at everything except vig somehow i'm extremely good at vig

[Bingle]

Yeah... see that’s not dissonance. That’s two separate issues. As far as I can tell, there is a valid reason to want marquis dead (baiting powerful night actions into a vanillaizer) and a wagon on marquis for moonlogicky reasons.

Being willing to lynch there doesn’t preclude trying to read the wagon forming there. I ask again, why is marquis being wagoned?

[Kagami]

How the fuck do you have a miller that's a reflexive roleblocking vanillaizer

A roleblocking vanillaizer makes a miller modifier moot since no one can get an investigation result on them anyway

Ever seen the move Once Upon a Crime? I think this game is a lot like that.

[popsofctown]

Yeah... see that’s not dissonance. That’s two separate issues. As far as I can tell, there is a valid reason to want marquis dead (baiting powerful night actions into a vanillaizer) and a wagon on marquis for moonlogicky reasons.

Being willing to lynch there doesn’t preclude trying to read the wagon forming there. I ask again, why is marquis being wagoned?

Why are you calling it moonlogic when your interpretation is only different because you have information we don't, that you are also a miller?

Marquis is acting a lot less like a reflexive miller vanillerizer than you are, in any case, and I like D1L's analysis of the way he's approaching his last stand.

@mod

If all in a particular neighborhood vacate it but one or more of them did not vacate the neighborhood by dying, will the topic become locked and readable regardless?

[Bingle]

How the fuck do you have a miller that's a reflexive roleblocking vanillaizer

A roleblocking vanillaizer makes a miller modifier moot since no one can get an investigation result on them anyway

It’s kinda like that was exactly what I said when I claimed. My guess is there’s some way for scum to redistribute roles at some point, which likely means if we all rush to enforce the best roles use their power idea, scum can then put the best roles in the hands of people who aren’t yet addicted.

On the topic of caffeine:


There are several options: 1. We leave it alone. Everyone makes their own decision about acting/not acting and we hope there aren’t sufficient tempting night actions to fuck us.

2. We set forth an arbitrary guideline, such as everyone in portion {set} of the player list can act. Anyone outside that set does not, on pain of being lynched. This is double edged, as it takes away the caffeine if sufficiently large but also has the side effect of wrecking synergy. I lean this option, personally.

3. D1 massclaim. This setup has a few of the hallmarks of being a broken by massclaim setup. I’m very reluctant to do this though, as FG has a history of hating massclaim setups and punishing towns for trying to abuse them.

4. We play this mountainous. If we want to do this, go ahead and lynch me now because I will be bored and useless the entire time.

5. I make a list of the roles that are worth using, and only people with those roles act tonight. This is probably a good plan, but I don’t know that I’ll have the free time to come up with a reasonably comprehensive list.

6. We claim acting/non acting before N1 and juggle until we hit a desired proportion (probably 9/8). This leads to a fairly early massclaim.

7. We gamble, hard. Barring any weird shenanigans if our neighborhood is a masonry, we’re functionally unkillable barring scum having some kind of strong willed anti vanillaizer role. If it’s just strong willed, the first one of us they shoot gets rid of the power that lets them shoot us. If that’s the case, two of the three of us can be caffeine free for life. Of course, if the neighborhood contains scum or scum has multiple workarounds, we might be fucked, royally, by this plan.

Again, I endorse option 2 and would be happy to pick nine names who can act tonight, if we agree that that is what our plan is and that no one will claim because they’re mad they don’t get to use their super badass power.

D2, any member of {acting} who didn’t act can be replaced. This should eliminate the worry of a caffeine victory even if mafia has some way of addicting people to caffeine forcibly.

Off to make all of my muscles sore again.