Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Chandra Nalaar]

I also have this thing where I townread and scumread FL at the same time.

Everyone is secretly town. The scumteam is the mod, the moon, and mith. The sky is brown. Water is dry.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you two are just scum together probably ought to NK me that would seem optimal

I see why you could be annoyed by the chemistry RCE-Myself have.

I would be annoyed by town chemistry with outed scum. It's less annoying if you're scum together so I weave that fantasy, even though setup spec would hint towards just 1 scum in the neighborhood

I never said it was town chemistry. It’s just chemistry.

I abused this in Pokémon Fusion Upick recently.

[Chandra Nalaar]

setup spec would hint towards just 1 scum in the neighborhood

For the love of God stop this

[Flavor Leaf]

Maybe I should replace out of games at the first sign of moon logic. But then I would never finish a game.

Yes, do this.

My scum games always require moon logic, though, so people who are anti moon logic are starting to weaken as threats. Scum players have been doing the most lately.

[popsofctown]

yeah the marquis neighborhood has the ability to make you leave your neighborhood this was revealed a couple pages ago

Would hood modifiers still apply? Like if you joined another hood do you still invest as mafia?

That's possibly strong.

Oh my law

you keep claiming scum

closed setups are a nightmare

no one will lynch it anyway

which is nice because there is nothing satisfying about catching a scum off aberrations and wrinkles in a closed setup like this

but not nice in the sense that I prefer to win all my games of mafia instead of lose them



there's no way town!Pelipper even has to ask if he keeps the modifier if he leaves the neighborhood it's totally unambiguous that the modifier stays.

(it probably doesn't survive the vanillerization associated with Marquis's neighborhood in particular, ofc though)

What? You were JUST arguing that the hood modifier and your role are separate entities. So why would the hood modifier still apply if you leave the hood? What I'm getting at is shuffling hoods has the potential to hard confirm alignments.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT A HOOD MODIFIER
IT'S MY PERSONAL MODIFIER
I'LL STILL HAVE A BAD LEFT KNEE
I'LL STILL GET WEIRD CHILLS WHEN I HEAR AN UNDERTALE SONG I REALLY LIKE
I'LL STILL BE ATTRACTED TO OTHER FURRY ANIMALS

I'LL STILL INVESTIGATE AS MAFIA

I WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO VIEW THE MESSAGE IN THE PT -INFORMING- EVERYONE THAT THE RESIDENTS INVESTIGATE AS MAFIA FOR THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL REASONS

BUT I'M GONNA ASK JJD TO WRITE IT IN HIS NOTES SINCE I'M TOO LAZY TO TAKE NOTES AND MAYBE HE CAN REMIND ME

this is only the case if you aren’t vanilla’d by that Vanilla neighborhood.

How else would you leave neighborhood?

If you were referring to the reflexive vanillaizer then join them, then this is a scum slip

I doubt all the neighborhoods have claimed, there's only 9 slots of claimed neighborhood in a 17p game. I expect at least 12 slots since it's clearly a game theme. If I think of the other 1-2 neighborhood as some mishmash of the other ones it can easily have the "visiting this neighborhood absorbs you to it" ability without the separate vanillerizer ability.

[Flavor Leaf]

setup spec would hint towards just 1 scum in the neighborhood

For the love of God stop this

Especially because I disagree. I would lead towards all town, but I don’t use that setup spec as golden. Gotta do the dayplay.

[Perry Pelican]

You followed up that miller was short hand but that was well after the fact.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah the marquis neighborhood has the ability to make you leave your neighborhood this was revealed a couple pages ago

Would hood modifiers still apply? Like if you joined another hood do you still invest as mafia?

That's possibly strong.

Oh my law

you keep claiming scum

closed setups are a nightmare

no one will lynch it anyway

which is nice because there is nothing satisfying about catching a scum off aberrations and wrinkles in a closed setup like this

but not nice in the sense that I prefer to win all my games of mafia instead of lose them



there's no way town!Pelipper even has to ask if he keeps the modifier if he leaves the neighborhood it's totally unambiguous that the modifier stays.

(it probably doesn't survive the vanillerization associated with Marquis's neighborhood in particular, ofc though)

What? You were JUST arguing that the hood modifier and your role are separate entities. So why would the hood modifier still apply if you leave the hood? What I'm getting at is shuffling hoods has the potential to hard confirm alignments.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT A HOOD MODIFIER
IT'S MY PERSONAL MODIFIER
I'LL STILL HAVE A BAD LEFT KNEE
I'LL STILL GET WEIRD CHILLS WHEN I HEAR AN UNDERTALE SONG I REALLY LIKE
I'LL STILL BE ATTRACTED TO OTHER FURRY ANIMALS

I'LL STILL INVESTIGATE AS MAFIA

I WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO VIEW THE MESSAGE IN THE PT -INFORMING- EVERYONE THAT THE RESIDENTS INVESTIGATE AS MAFIA FOR THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL REASONS

BUT I'M GONNA ASK JJD TO WRITE IT IN HIS NOTES SINCE I'M TOO LAZY TO TAKE NOTES AND MAYBE HE CAN REMIND ME

this is only the case if you aren’t vanilla’d by that Vanilla neighborhood.

How else would you leave neighborhood?

If you were referring to the reflexive vanillaizer then join them, then this is a scum slip

I doubt all the neighborhoods have claimed, there's only 9 slots of claimed neighborhood in a 17p game. I expect at least 12 slots since it's clearly a game theme. If I think of the other 1-2 neighborhood as some mishmash of the other ones it can easily have the "visiting this neighborhood absorbs you to it" ability without the separate vanillerizer ability.

Why?

I actually frlt like the absorbing into a reflexive Vanilla neighborhood would be their neighborhood specific thing. I agree there’s likely definitely more neighborhoods, but I don’t know why you would jump to the conclusion of there being absorbing ones unless you already knew.

Sure, there could be, but i don’t see any reason for you to assume there would be.

[Flavor Leaf]

You followed up that miller was short hand but that was well after the fact.

Sure. If anything, that’s townie of me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I read investigate as mafia when I’m town, i instantly think “oh, I’m Miller. Awesome”

[Perry Pelican]

Possibly, but it's not not scummy for you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Possibly, but it's not not scummy for you.

I disagree. I would do it as scum becaus it’s townie of me, that doesn’t make it a scummy act. There’s a difference.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t disagree with the conclusion and reaction by you, it’s the path and reasoning that got there.

[Perry Pelican]

I don’t disagree with the conclusion and reaction by you, it’s the path and reasoning that got there.

I reached that conclusion because it's you specifically and you know I wouldn't apply it to the rest of the playerlist except maybe A50 but not 1 for 1.

[Perry Pelican]

Screw it, consider me pocketed.

[Flavor Leaf]

If it’s NAI, then how was that used as a reason to scum read?

[Kagami]

What are you calling moon logic, ceph?

[Perry Pelican]

I think scum you would reconcile the claim after you ran through the possibilities and figured out what it was I was attacking. It fits with the way you've been defending me but I've already expressed why I think you're *probably* town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t believe I’ve been defending you. I’ve been thinking of passing on my Day 3 IC to you to see if you were really town or not.

[popsofctown]

There can also be other PRs that affect neighborhood membership?
You know like neighborizer?
From obscure corners of the site like whitelisted "Normal Queue roles"?

[Flavor Leaf]

Because essentially, that’s gonna be my role this game. I get to confirm one of the 3 of us as town, and if i pick someone who’s mafia, then they just don’t get confirmed.

I’m more than likely just gonna abuse it and get myself Towned. Just saying

[Flavor Leaf]

There can also be other PRs that affect neighborhood membership?
You know like neighborizer?
From obscure corners of the site like whitelisted "Normal Queue roles"?

Why would a neighborizer make you leave our neighborhood.

[Flavor Leaf]

You’d jus5 be in both.

[Perry Pelican]

That would just be adding a separate hood not moving to a different one.

[Chandra Nalaar]

What are you calling moon logic, ceph?

1161 was what prompted me to say that but there are several players in this game who seem to run entirely on moonbeams.