Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Marquis]

still reading. lol ceph.

I really want you to be town but I'm only like 70% sold rn (enough to not want to lynch)

[popsofctown]

Meaning you have a modifier that says informed?

Essentially my role PM says I investigate as mafia twice, the first time it says the neighborhood investigates as mafia, then it says "furry character flavorname man" investigates as mafia

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m like 85% sure RCE is scum.

I am thinking Chan is scum, though.

Possibly Kagami.

[Flavor Leaf]

Meaning you have a modifier that says informed?

Essentially my role PM says I investigate as mafia twice, the first time it says the neighborhood investigates as mafia, then it says "furry character flavorname man" investigates as mafia

Yup

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, we get the neighborhood section, and the other section. The neighborhood section is where our Informed is.

I think we got RCE on a technicality. Rough.

[Perry Pelican]

Meaning you have a modifier that says informed?

Essentially my role PM says I investigate as mafia twice, the first time it says the neighborhood investigates as mafia, then it says "furry character flavorname man" investigates as mafia

Likewise but without knowing other role pms I'm not assuming it isn't related to the hood.

[Perry Pelican]

Im dumb, but I'm not seeing the issue here. And I'm not seeing how that's unambiguous.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I get it.

Honestly, it’s just an annoying situation.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d be annoyed here if I were you too.

[Marquis]

Let me be clear one more time - I realize being open about the setup probably helps scum but I personally think the amt of misinformation going around helps scum and hurts town more

I, my role, investigate as mafia. unless I'm missing something big there is nowhere in my role PM or the hood that tell me Bingle and Vecna do too, and yet that's what seems to be the case if they're telling the truth.

and then separately, I am aware both in my role PM and in the hood that anyone who visits a member will be RBed and VNed. it seems to indicate if I'm no longer in the hood for some reason I no longer have those reflexive qualities. I knew Bingle and Vecna knew this too and that was essentially my pregame info before claim fuckery happened. As far as I knew I was the only one with the Miller modifier

I will lastly say it is stupid to scumhunt neighborhoods based on expected scum quotas and to try and outsmart the mod, it's wifom and the least productive use of time. It also seems like the setup was designed to get people moving through hoods.

resorting my list when at a comp too

[Perry Pelican]

You're looking scummy here FL. Pops I buy as town thinking she's really dig into something big here.

You're taking advantage of her right now.

[Marquis]

Based on past fakegod setups I think scum also get a sample fake town role PM that is flavor guaranteed to not be in the game. I'm wary of people not knowing otherwise and tow reading people because they're sharing role PM wording, just assume mafia can easily access how a town role PM with different modifiers and PT and role info would be worded and formatted

[FakeGod]

@FakeGod: Please prod Croag

Done.

[popsofctown]

Spoiler: Role PMs

Name -

Dapper Owl

Job -

Company Owner

Alignment -

Town

The Birdcage

You have access to the

The Birdcage PT

. You also know that there are total of 5 votes controlled by the players of this PT.

Abilities

You are a

1-shot Jailkeeper

.

Town Win Condition

You win when all

Mafia

-aligned players are

dead

, and there is at least one

Town

-aligned player

alive

.

Spoiler: Dead Horse

This is the OP sample
It is obvious that Dapper Owl's access to the birdcage does not in and of itself grant him any abilities
In the abilities section he would hope to be excited to find out that he controls 3 votes, but alas, he is only a 1-shot jailkeeper.
Dapper Owl naturally surmises that at least one other bird in the 2 player birdcage has a line in his abilities that says "you control 4 votes."
He surmises that because the format of this role PM shows him that's how the Birdcage Informed truth nugget would be maintained. That's the only way, since it doesn't say "You know that there are a total of 5 votes among these players because you control 1 of them" or whatever.

I opened a similar PM.
Rather than knowing that at least 1 person must have a certain ability the way Dapper Owl knows, I know that -everyone- else must have a certain ability to meet the condition I was informed of in my neighborhood truth nugget - except perhaps mafia, who wouldn't need an ability. However, unlike Dapper Owl's Informed truth nugget, the nature of the ability itself doesn't clearly convey that the Neighborhood section is insufficient to grant characteristics that make the truth nugget true. So a mafiosi missing the ability might spend 50 pages referring to a shared ability, an ability that might go away if they leave their neighborhood, a neighborhood characteristic rather than a "modifier", and then finally figure out the issue on page 50.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.6

Marquis [2] - Pine, PenguinPower
Fish Monger [2] - Kagami, kuribo
Pine [3] - Gorkington, Marquis, Chandra Nalaar
popsofctown [1] - Fish Monger
Judge Joseph Dredd [1] - ofrhz
Chandra Nalaar [5] - Flavor Leaf, Vecna x3, Judge Joseph Dredd
Kagami [3] - Perry Pelican, Day One Lynch, popsofctown

Not Voting [2]

- Croag, Bingle

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-08-31 20:00:00)

[Perry Pelican]

I still don't know what the issue is.

[Perry Pelican]

And it's not like you're pushing it as a dumb tell.

[Bingle]

Jingle thinks vigs are protown, at least when you ask the exact same question differently in a different game

Yeah. Because a successful vig kill conftowns the vig.

I literally said that in that game. Scum wants to stop the vig from conftowning themselves, even if the vig would be shooting town guaranteed.

Friendly Neighbor is also a protown role.

[Bingle]

The fuck are you on about

Inside joke that only RCE (Pelican), FL & Jingle (Bingle) will understand.

What do you mean, Jingle isn't playing this game.

[Bingle]

and then separately, I am aware both in my role PM and in the hood that anyone who visits a member will be RBed and VNed. it seems to indicate if I'm no longer in the hood for some reason I no longer have those reflexive qualities. I knew Bingle and Vecna knew this too and that was essentially my pregame info before claim fuckery happened. As far as I knew I was the only one with the Miller modifier

+1

Except that Vecna seems to not have the Miller modifier.

[PenguinPower]

Hmm...

VOTE: Pine

[Flavor Leaf]

You're looking scummy here FL. Pops I buy as town thinking she's really dig into something big here.

You're taking advantage of her right now.

Doesn’t matter if you think I’m scummy. I’m conf town D3. That’s a moo point.

I’m not basing my stuff on anything else besides the three of us, and mainly my own role PM, which Pops explained it exactly like mine is, and yours is different.

The thing is, I see exactly why that happened.

You wouldn’t say in your ability section that you investigate as Mafia because you ARE mafia. That would have been redundant.

@Marquis - that probably checks out because that’s symmetry in setup, which FG is a RG with. Our neighborhood specifically states that everyone in our Abandoned Warehouse, I believe it was, investigates as Mafia.

My ability has my Day 3 IC, and tells me I investigate as Mafia, so that is completely separate from our neighborhood, and that’s where Pelican’s inconsistency is. He didn’t know it was there in the ability section because he doesn’t have it there because that’s redundant as Mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

Based on past fakegod setups I think scum also get a sample fake town role PM that is flavor guaranteed to not be in the game. I'm wary of people not knowing otherwise and tow reading people because they're sharing role PM wording, just assume mafia can easily access how a town role PM with different modifiers and PT and role info would be worded and formatted

I agree that that would be the case, but scum don’t memorize internally their fake claims.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Jingle - do you see what I’m saying?

[Gorkington]

Gork gave some scum vibes, when he gave me kinda serious reason to scumread Pop, but wanted Pine wagon going instead

except i literally said this:

i was advised that murdering goodscum is goodplay because badscum wont last to endgame
we should bully pine until he starts being town or we kill him real good ya feel?

thus i counter your point and destroy it to the ground you better not dare call me scummy ever again! especially when im not here to bully you about calling me scummy!

hi all im back from camping.
i had reception during the car ride back and vaguely saw that people were mad at people for long extended periods of time and it looked really boring. i hope the rest of the thread is better.

i have an appointment with pizza tonight, so tomorrow is dedicated to cleaning camping supplies and reading this game. how exciting weeee
might respond to things later tonight if im not out too late.