Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[kuribo]

Great fakeclaim when there are vanillaizing roleblockers and you can use the scum kill as cover


There are plenty of mechanics in this game where a missing kill wouldn't give any of us pause

[Chandra Nalaar]

Anyone who claims to have shot a vanilliazing roleblocker gets lynched, dont they? And I dont think using the scum kill as cover long term typically works.

[kuribo]

No, I'm saying he could no-kill gambit and say oh shit I was testing their claim


It doesn't need to work out long term, especially if he was trying to draw the real vig out to begin with

[Bingle]

Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?

[PenguinPower]

I'm not lying?...

[kuribo]

Well I'm trying to lynch scum over here but y'all have derailed my shit twice now

God I'm actually gonna have to iso PErry aren't I

Can't I just yell at things until they die

[PenguinPower]

oh fuck off...random alt doesn't get called PP

[popsofctown]

You still kinda have to lynch Pelipper because he is scum roleblocker or scum rolecop or whatever he actually is and Flavor Leaf might not actually be vig because he's Flavor Leaf he'd hard claim anything really.

In guns and roses he claimed 3 roles per day phase as town, it's only 2 so far today but he still has time to meet or exceed his average.

[Bingle]

Shush you. We're checking to see if Pelican tastes like Duck or Chicken.

[kuribo]

I'm not lying?...

Unless you're another counterclaim I think he meant the throaty bird not the tuxedo bird

[Bingle]

Well I'm trying to lynch scum over here but y'all have derailed my shit twice now

Who are you trying to lynch?

[kuribo]

Well I'm trying to lynch scum over here but y'all have derailed my shit twice now

Who are you trying to lynch?

Fucking pissmonger

Who pretended not to have any experience with me

Who misrepresented statement after statement

Who intentionally provoked me into getting pissed off, even by his own words

Who has done fuck all since y'all let the storm die down

[popsofctown]

I kinda like fishmonger lynch

I'm sorry I derailed your lynch kuribo

If I had the magical bullets Pelipper thought I might have I would have just silently shotted him so as not to traffic jam the dayplay so much.

Alas I do not, the games where I fantasize about being a vig are generally the games I am not actually a vig, much like the weeks I fantasize about ice cream are the weeks I am on my diet rather than off of it.

[Bingle]

You still kinda have to lynch Pelipper because he is scum roleblocker or scum rolecop or whatever he actually is and Flavor Leaf might not actually be vig because he's Flavor Leaf he'd hard claim anything really.

In guns and roses he claimed 3 roles per day phase as town, it's only 2 so far today but he still has time to meet or exceed his average.

If FL is town-fakeclaiming he's put a lot of work into making the fakeclaim believable, which is probably scumleaf. If Perry the Platypus is fakeclaiming as most roles, scum saving him is fine. I'll explain why tomorrow.

If either of them is realclaiming, we have the same 1v1 tomorrow in the worst case scenario. In the best case scenario, we have a dead scum and a conftown townie.

This isn't subjective read territory, this is about what is mechanically correct.

[ofrhz]

I am here

I have taken my adhd medication

I’m going to READ

[Bingle]

VoteCount 1.6

Marquis [2] - Pine, PenguinPower
Fish Monger [2] - Kagami, kuribo
Pine [3] - Gorkington, Marquis, Chandra Nalaar
popsofctown [1] - Fish Monger
Judge Joseph Dredd [1] - ofrhz
Chandra Nalaar [5] - Flavor Leaf, Vecna x3, Judge Joseph Dredd
Kagami [3] - Perry Pelican, Day One Lynch, popsofctown

Not Voting [2]

- Croag, Bingle

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-08-31 20:00:00)

So... Not interested in CN/Kags based on FL/Perry. We should probably reevaluate that after we know which one of them is scum for sure. Fish Monger seems fine, but I felt like he was town earlier when he was supporting my read on pops. I was probably wrong on pops though, so :shrugs:. Pine seems like the only other wagon of note right now, and I have no idea what that's about.

[Perry Pelican]

If you see someone breadcrumbing your role, you don't let that slide so easily

Where's the suspicion, even a hint of "I'm a vig and oh shit FL is sorting vig?"

It was going to be discussed tonight. It's not like I have to be the only vig, plus he later talked about his role having the ability to confirm OTHER people. So there's still the possibility he was crumbing multiple roles to flip back to.

[Perry Pelican]

let's make a deal

we lynch kagami

if he flips town you let me deathtunnel you until one of us dies

You will die first and I guarantee that. Do you still want to make that deal?

Pelican as a Vig, who knows I am a Vig, does not make this comment here towards Pops, because the correct assumption would be to assume that Pops is also a Vig here, as Pelican stated that he thought, but this actively shows that that wasn’t the thought process that he had.

He’s scum.

Pops is setting up a mislynch chain if Kagami is town here. If Kagami flipped today and flipped town I'd cut out the middle man and vig pops.

[popsofctown]

You still kinda have to lynch Pelipper because he is scum roleblocker or scum rolecop or whatever he actually is and Flavor Leaf might not actually be vig because he's Flavor Leaf he'd hard claim anything really.

In guns and roses he claimed 3 roles per day phase as town, it's only 2 so far today but he still has time to meet or exceed his average.

If FL is town-fakeclaiming he's put a lot of work into making the fakeclaim believable, which is probably scumleaf. If Perry the Platypus is fakeclaiming as most roles, scum saving him is fine. I'll explain why tomorrow.

If either of them is realclaiming, we have the same 1v1 tomorrow in the worst case scenario. In the best case scenario, we have a dead scum and a conftown townie.

This isn't subjective read territory, this is about what is mechanically correct.

I think town!Bingle is a little more pragmatic than this. Or better at mechanics than this.

If you agree on Pelipper scum at 90%, why is it worth running people up to L-1 and outing their roles repeatedly for the rest of the day until we find someone safe to lynch? You wanna go out a gunsmith and a tracker and then find a VT that will be sober all his life, then lynch him, then let town!FL get addicted to caffeine in the process of shooting Perry?

Assuming

nothing in hotel california role madness can disrupt that.

[Perry Pelican]

Before you do anything, I’d like you to take a hard stance on confirming if you knew or did not know that I was crumbing Vig, Perry the

Platypus

Pelican.

Yes but you transitioned to a new role after that.

[popsofctown]

IDK if I've ever lined up more than 1 mislynch in a row as scum but remind me to ask LLD and RC if that's how I could improve my scumgame.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dont scum typically pay *more* attention to their role PMs, if anything?

It is odd that hes stuck on the point and not said "oh yeah it does say that oops," but where is the scum equity?

Yes, not their fake claims, though.

[Perry Pelican]

I don’t believe I’ve been defending you. I’ve been thinking of passing on my Day 3 IC to you to see if you were really town or not.

Because essentially, that’s gonna be my role this game. I get to confirm one of the 3 of us as town, and if i pick someone who’s mafia, then they just don’t get confirmed.

I’m more than likely just gonna abuse it and get myself Towned. Just saying

This stopped being a vig claim and became a gunsmith claim. Possibly a loyal (X) role claim. Which made me think great, I can confirm myself with a vig shot, FL can do whatever it is he does to confirm or catch pops.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dont scum typically pay *more* attention to their role PMs, if anything?

It is odd that hes stuck on the point and not said "oh yeah it does say that oops," but where is the scum equity?

Yes, not their fake claims, though.

Which is exactly why it’s scum indicative because he was aware of his own PM, and he made comments that showed us he knew his scum pm, because he was so confident about what it was.

Then he realized we just have it differently because we are town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?

This is exactly what I’m saying.

You fit the stereotype to a T of the exact reason why he made it a 1v1, Bingle.