Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Flavor Leaf]

You still kinda have to lynch Pelipper because he is scum roleblocker or scum rolecop or whatever he actually is and Flavor Leaf might not actually be vig because he's Flavor Leaf he'd hard claim anything really.

In guns and roses he claimed 3 roles per day phase as town, it's only 2 so far today but he still has time to meet or exceed his average.

If FL is town-fakeclaiming he's put a lot of work into making the fakeclaim believable, which is probably scumleaf. If Perry the Platypus is fakeclaiming as most roles, scum saving him is fine. I'll explain why tomorrow.

If either of them is realclaiming, we have the same 1v1 tomorrow in the worst case scenario. In the best case scenario, we have a dead scum and a conftown townie.

This isn't subjective read territory, this is about what is mechanically correct.

I think town!Bingle is a little more pragmatic than this. Or better at mechanics than this.

If you agree on Pelipper scum at 90%, why is it worth running people up to L-1 and outing their roles repeatedly for the rest of the day until we find someone safe to lynch? You wanna go out a gunsmith and a tracker and then find a VT that will be sober all his life, then lynch him, then let town!FL get addicted to caffeine in the process of shooting Perry?

Assuming

nothing in hotel california role madness can disrupt that.

I’m not shooting when Pelican is alive because he’s probably just a Roleblocker.

If you are not a Vig, Pops, then it is confirmed he only claimed it to 1v1 me.

[Perry Pelican]

I'm not good at meta, or scumhunting, or reading orfhz, or aiming night actions

I am bad at everything except vig somehow i'm extremely good at vig

So is there maybe a neighborhood composed entirely of Strong Loyal people? I guess????

Their roles would not work on the Miller Vanillerizers but would work on the "investigates as mafia" people.

The point of the Chandra Nalaar account is to not roleplay and make references that break canon like "heat vision" and break my heart

Flame on!

I guess that's at least not DC comics.

pedit: If I could grant Pelipper the Strong modifier before this dayvig I think I would

I'll do push-ups for it.

Pelipper learned Bulk Up!

I'm annoyed about how FL's fakeclaim meta can let him remove himself from d1 d2 lynchpool with this crap, but on d3 he will fakeclaim a new replacement role and will not be revenge lynched.

Someone just vig him

It's not 100% certain that there is a mafia in the miller neighborhood. I think everyone agrees it's within FakeGod's "midrange" for the whole thing to be town. The vig neighborhood I was in in a FF large theme turned out to be all town even though the idea of scum voting on the vigshot was intriguing.

It will easier to spec how many scums the miller neighborhood should have after massclaim, before that I think you should just lynch people in the miller neighborhood if you think they're scummy.

There were a ton of Vig references from pop that made me think pops was either a Vig, had knowledge of a vig in our hood, or had a modifier tied to vig(granting a strongman modifier).

Which made me rethink my read, I've been back and forth with this several times.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, I’m absolutely not with a Fishmonger lynch. Just because he annoyed you doesn’t make him scum.

In fact, it actually leans town if he “acted” to not know Kuribo, as there is zero reasoning for ScumPisskop to do that.

[Perry Pelican]

FL get me lynched because I am 100% shooting you here.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Dont scum typically pay *more* attention to their role PMs, if anything?

It is odd that hes stuck on the point and not said "oh yeah it does say that oops," but where is the scum equity?

Yes, not their fake claims, though.

The opposite seems more likely to me

[Flavor Leaf]

Dont scum typically pay *more* attention to their role PMs, if anything?

It is odd that hes stuck on the point and not said "oh yeah it does say that oops," but where is the scum equity?

Yes, not their fake claims, though.

The opposite seems more likely to me

There’s a reason I was voting you the majority of this game.

[popsofctown]

I like playing close to the vest but don't mind saying that when gunsmiths visit me they "get no gun"

fun trivia tho

when sane cops visit me

they get

"popsofctown is mafia"

inb4 this is the only post the croag replace-in reads on catchup

pedit: not answering whether my role has special tie-ins with vigs or not BUT I am a furry.

[popsofctown]

typoed quote placement whoops

[Bingle]

Someone who doesn't lynch confirmable roles D1?

Bitch, that stereotype is populated by people who learned to play from me.

I can explain why scum roleblocker isn't a big concern, tomorrow.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Dont scum typically pay *more* attention to their role PMs, if anything?

It is odd that hes stuck on the point and not said "oh yeah it does say that oops," but where is the scum equity?

Yes, not their fake claims, though.

The opposite seems more likely to me

There’s a reason I was voting you the majority of this game.

We have fundamentally different approaches to the game. That doesnt make me scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL get me lynched because I am 100% shooting you here.

Oh, I know you are. Trust me.

That’s been your plan to use your factional kill on me for a while now. I felt it.

The fact I have to try so hard right now proves I’m correct.

That’s how it always is.


@Kuribo - this happened to me in Pastries after you left. When i’m On the right track, scum discredit me hard, and nobody follows me. If I’m on the slightly incorrect, but mostly right, scum empower me to keep going the incorrect route, a la when I mislynched Penguin recently. I had the correct solve with 3 of 5, and Penguin was in the 2 of 5 group.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dont scum typically pay *more* attention to their role PMs, if anything?

It is odd that hes stuck on the point and not said "oh yeah it does say that oops," but where is the scum equity?

Yes, not their fake claims, though.

The opposite seems more likely to me

There’s a reason I was voting you the majority of this game.

We have fundamentally different approaches to the game. That doesnt make me scum.

Someone who doesn't lynch confirmable roles D1?

Bitch, that stereotype is populated by people who learned to play from me.

I can explain why scum roleblocker isn't a big concern, tomorrow.

It’s not confirmable. It’s WIFOMable.

RCE has seen scum me multiple times. And my scum game rolls over players who use mafiaosophy like Chandlar’s or that sentiment unflexibly.

RCE has that side in him, and he’s abusing players like you guys right here because you have the clout to save him.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also don’t have as much clout in this game as I normally would with this playerlist, which means he absolutely knows how to 1 up me with this.

He has the scum advantage as well.

He’s abusing your guys’ mafia philosophy.

[Perry Pelican]

FL I don't know if you know this but I am like 90% accurate when I've rolled Vig on site. The exception is the first normal we played together where my big was disloyal modified.

The way you're insisting we don't have this 1v1 tells me scum doesn't have a block available tonight.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Me? Clout? You must be thinking of someone else. I should have clout, because I'm town as fuck, but this town is full of crazy people who cant nail borderline free reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

Me? Clout? You must be thinking of someone else. I should have clout, because I'm town as fuck, but this town is full of crazy people who cant nail borderline free reads.

Eh, I was more talking about Kuribo, Marquis, Bingle.

I feel you’re an alt, and probably have said who, and I definitely know, but at the moment I can’t tell at all who you are.

Menalque?

[kuribo]

Also, I’m absolutely not with a Fishmonger lynch. Just because he annoyed you doesn’t make him scum.

In fact, it actually leans town if he “acted” to not know Kuribo, as there is zero reasoning for ScumPisskop to do that.

Okay, AGAIN

it's not that he annoyed me

I literally laid out why he's scum

[Gorkington]

FL I don't know if you know this but I am like 90% accurate when I've rolled Vig on site. The exception is the first normal we played together where my big was disloyal modified.

The way you're insisting we don't have this 1v1 tells me scum doesn't have a block available tonight.

so
pelican is scum
?

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m actually town reading you now, Chan, for what it’s worth.

Pelican just made a play specifically to abuse people with your philosophy because there’s more of them this game, and he’s facing me, so he needed to get your side.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, I’m absolutely not with a Fishmonger lynch. Just because he annoyed you doesn’t make him scum.

In fact, it actually leans town if he “acted” to not know Kuribo, as there is zero reasoning for ScumPisskop to do that.

Okay, AGAIN

it's not that he annoyed me

I literally laid out why he's scum

I will Vig fishmonger if you lynch Pelican.

[kuribo]

I will Vig fishmonger if you lynch Pelican.

vig me instead and you got a deal

[Chandra Nalaar]

Me? Clout? You must be thinking of someone else. I should have clout, because I'm town as fuck, but this town is full of crazy people who cant nail borderline free reads.

Eh, I was more talking about Kuribo, Marquis, Bingle.

I feel you’re an alt, and probably have said who, and I definitely know, but at the moment I can’t tell at all who you are.

Menalque?

It's in my first post dude.

[kuribo]

FL, you never addressed this:

I don’t believe I’ve been defending you. I’ve been thinking of passing on my Day 3 IC to you to see if you were really town or not.

Because essentially, that’s gonna be my role this game. I get to confirm one of the 3 of us as town, and if i pick someone who’s mafia, then they just don’t get confirmed.

I’m more than likely just gonna abuse it and get myself Towned. Just saying

This stopped being a vig claim and became a gunsmith claim. Possibly a loyal (X) role claim. Which made me think great, I can confirm myself with a vig shot, FL can do whatever it is he does to confirm or catch pops.

If I go through your iso I'm not gonna find you softing a bunch of shit am i

[Flavor Leaf]

FL I don't know if you know this but I am like 90% accurate when I've rolled Vig on site. The exception is the first normal we played together where my big was disloyal modified.

The way you're insisting we don't have this 1v1 tells me scum doesn't have a block available tonight.

so
pelican is scum
?

Yeah, for multiple reasons.

1: the not having 2 investigates as mafia in his role pm, a la Pops and I with our abilities and our neighborhood.
2: his knowledge and confirmation of me being a vig, where he essentially asked who I was shooting with cologne gambit (i explained way back)
3: him not countering anything when I was obvi crumbing his role, and since we have the exact same role, we should have identical role PM’s, at least mechanically.
4: his trajectory of who he would shoot
5: his back and forth attitude with me and his thoughts not lining up, because scum him HAS to be wary of me just like I always have to be wary of him when I’m scum.

This is all PRIOR to the Vig claim by him, which forced us into a Vig-Vig setup with a bunch of players who have the philosophy of let the vig’s solve themselves, when I abuse that philosophy myself when I’m scum.

I was scum with NewbSkitter once, and Eddie Cane and I were hard coaching her years back, she was going down, and we had her claim Vigilante strictly because of the philosophy around letting Vig’s live. We got 2 mislynches before she went down, and was able to set the game up for EC and I to hard sweep the rest of the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Me? Clout? You must be thinking of someone else. I should have clout, because I'm town as fuck, but this town is full of crazy people who cant nail borderline free reads.

Eh, I was more talking about Kuribo, Marquis, Bingle.

I feel you’re an alt, and probably have said who, and I definitely know, but at the moment I can’t tell at all who you are.

Menalque?

It's in my first post dude.

I’ve read 54 pages of this game at this point, it’s fair of me to forget things.

I also don’t know you that well anyways, so I think that’s fair of me to not remember.