Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Perry Pelican]

peli can you drop a readslist

Chandra, vecna, pops, fish, day one Lynch, Kagami town

Marquis is like null I guess.

If I had to guess a scumteam right now FL, jjd, one of jingle/Marquis, one of pine/gork

Also get penguin to stop skating but he's probably town.

These reads aren't really going to matter after I flip, no one cares about dead reads. What I did want to say is that it's doubtful me vs FL is TvT. It's probably in scums best interest to let us take the shots and try to move the Lynch elsewhere.

Scum probably don't have a roleblock available to them night 1 at least, it only really serves to explain why FL hasn't taken a shot down the line. Pops if you're town here don't let it slide, FL will give you every reason not to Lynch him but that doesn't mean you shouldn't.

[Perry Pelican]

Mmk vecna you can hammer now.

[popsofctown]

Mafia knows based on their team PRs and the public claims what PRs are likely to exist. We shouldn't be completing the puzzle for them by making it known which roles will actually act.

oh, right, since I said sane cop should always act, the scum are going to just not roleblock kuribo and are going to roleblock the sane cop, who is obviously FakeGod.

[Perry Pelican]

I'll say that's a tough town list to get behind. It's hard for me to townread almost anyone on my wagon.

[kuribo]

Nope too late either you're not paying attention or you're trying to keep your options open


We both know you're better than that

wouldnt scum have more incentive to keep track of that kind of stuff?

additionally i dont really feel like it makes sense for marquis as scum to remember your claim and be like "lol shoot him anyways" because youre obviously going to come back at them for it and vig probably isnt going to listen because of your claim.

I feel like the non serious nature of my post wasn't evident but at least you spent time replying

[Gorkington]

I feel like the non serious nature of my post wasn't evident but at least you spent time replying

frick dang eff i got bamboozled.

I'll say that's a tough town list to get behind. It's hard for me to townread almost anyone on my wagon.

i mean.
ive literally been trying to bait a response from you.
and theres no emotional weight behind you being about to be lynched by what you perceive as a primarily scum driven wagon
when youre a claimed vig who has stated repeatedly that youre not pushing flavor because youre going to shoot him tonight.

why are you literally lying down and accepting death if youre town here

[Gorkington]

what was even the point of withholding your reads until now i dont get it

[Gorkington]

It's probably in scums best interest to let us take the shots and try to move the Lynch elsewhere.

Scum probably don't have a roleblock available to them night 1 at least, it only really serves to explain why FL hasn't taken a shot down the line

i also dont understand how these stances line up.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Flavor's town no matter what Perry flips.

[Perry Pelican]

I feel like the non serious nature of my post wasn't evident but at least you spent time replying

frick dang eff i got bamboozled.

I'll say that's a tough town list to get behind. It's hard for me to townread almost anyone on my wagon.

i mean.
ive literally been trying to bait a response from you.
and theres no emotional weight behind you being about to be lynched by what you perceive as a primarily scum driven wagon
when youre a claimed vig who has stated repeatedly that youre not pushing flavor because youre going to shoot him tonight.

why are you literally lying down and accepting death if youre town here

It's draining responding when most of what I'm getting back is "yeah this is scum" it's not conducive for any real discussion, even if it doesn't garner a townread on me. Most of the questions directed at me feel more like people looking for extra reasoning to scumread me and not genuinely engage me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Vecna whenever you hammer can you link my PR advice post: post 1034

The only role without consensus was vig and uh let me tell you something about Flavor Leaf he's going to shoot people no matter who wins the debate team meet.

I don’t typically shoot Night 1

[kuribo]

Flavor's town no matter what Perry flips.

I'm inclined to agree.

There's a righteous certainty behind Flavor's posts re: Perry

[Perry Pelican]

what was even the point of withholding your reads until now i dont get it

I didn't want to go ehh, FL town means scum are likely defending me or avoiding the lynch and influence what the wagon looks like.

[kuribo]

Vecna whenever you hammer can you link my PR advice post: post 1034

The only role without consensus was vig and uh let me tell you something about Flavor Leaf he's going to shoot people no matter who wins the debate team meet.

I don’t typically shoot Night 1

Shoot me daddy

[Gorkington]

It's draining responding when most of what I'm getting back is "yeah this is scum" it's not conducive for any real discussion, even if it doesn't garner a townread on me. Most of the questions directed at me feel more like people looking for extra reasoning to scumread me and not genuinely engage me.

but you think that most of the people calling you scum are scum
so why are you just responding to them and not pointing out why theyre scum?

i feel like its a pretty sweeping simplification of the situation to imply that theres no reason that town should scumread you when you are literally not trying to push anyone.
do you feel like people should be reading you as town here?

I didn't want to go ehh, FL town means scum are likely defending me or avoiding the lynch and influence what the wagon looks like.

im not sure i understand. are you saying you were trying to bait the rest of the wagon out before saying that you felt like scum would be sidelining if flavor is town?
wouldnt that mean that literally all of your reads are entirely circumstantial based on flavor and not based on people's specific play?

[Perry Pelican]

It's draining responding when most of what I'm getting back is "yeah this is scum" it's not conducive for any real discussion, even if it doesn't garner a townread on me. Most of the questions directed at me feel more like people looking for extra reasoning to scumread me and not genuinely engage me.

but you think that most of the people calling you scum are scum
so why are you just responding to them and not pointing out why theyre scum?

i feel like its a pretty sweeping simplification of the situation to imply that theres no reason that town should scumread you when you are literally not trying to push anyone.
do you feel like people should be reading you as town here?

I didn't want to go ehh, FL town means scum are likely defending me or avoiding the lynch and influence what the wagon looks like.

im not sure i understand. are you saying you were trying to bait the rest of the wagon out before saying that you felt like scum would be sidelining if flavor is town?
wouldnt that mean that literally all of your reads are entirely circumstantial based on flavor and not based on people's specific play?

I don't have strong scumreads outside of FL and the sentiment is he's town regardless of my flip. I thought Kagami was scum making a play on Marquis but my read on Marquis has fallen off and Kagami somewhat explained his trajectory, the stance on scum vig is bold as scum but lynching the vig takes the edge off possibly.

I'm not saying that everyone pushing me as scum is scum or that town has no reason to scumread me. They read the game the way they read the game. But I don't feel the engagement has been to get a better read on me, for the most part.

My reads aren't really based around FL, I don't think any of them were really made with any association to him.

[Gorkington]

appreciate the answers, just want to roll back to this though:

It's probably in scums best interest to let us take the shots and try to move the Lynch elsewhere.

Scum probably don't have a roleblock available to them night 1 at least, it only really serves to explain why FL hasn't taken a shot down the line

i also dont understand how these stances line up.

can i get some words on this too?

[Perry Pelican]

So when people were keen to let us 1v1 at night FL's counter was that he wasn't shooting while I was alive because he would just be roleblocked. He still had to push me as the Lynch but it's framework for why an extra shot hasn't shown up come day 3 or whenever people decide to take a look at him.

If this was a TvT thing I think scum would have nudged in a different direction because that makes it a possible 3 for 1 right? It's juicy. Which didn't really happen with the exception of jingle in like a broader sense I guess.

[ofrhz]

Flavor's town no matter what Perry flips.

Why?

[Gorkington]

So when people were keen to let us 1v1 at night FL's counter was that he wasn't shooting while I was alive because he would just be roleblocked. He still had to push me as the Lynch but it's framework for why an extra shot hasn't shown up come day 3 or whenever people decide to take a look at him.

If this was a TvT thing I think scum would have nudged in a different direction because that makes it a possible 3 for 1 right? It's juicy. Which didn't really happen with the exception of jingle in like a broader sense I guess.

ohhhhhhhhhh okay you were saying this from the premise of it specifically being you and FL town.

[Gorkington]

i realize im being a question machine right now
so forgive me if this is getting annoying

but can you walk through some specific reasoning as to why you think FL is scum here?
whats he doing that you think is specifically scum motivated/is unlikely to come from town him?
specific examples of posts would be ideal.

[ofrhz]

Wait why is it bad to let the vigs 1v1 at night again?

[Gorkington]

because FL might be fakeclaiming as town
there might be a scum roleblocker

if pelican is just scum its optimal to just lynch him

[Chandra Nalaar]

Flavor's town no matter what Perry flips.

Why?

It's pretty apparent that he believes what hes saying today. Someone put this well already- righteous indignation or something

I'm surprised this needed asking, it seems obvious

[Perry Pelican]

Sure, I'll talk about the claim part specifically.