Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[ofrhz]

I don't think Pelican is scum though

and FL can't fake conviction? ... okay

[ofrhz]

Yeah, RCE, pretty sure you’re scum this game.

I'm actually kind of confused why it took so long for FL to think RCE "scum slipped"

[Chandra Nalaar]

I don't think Pelican is scum though

and FL can't fake conviction? ... okay

Did I say "lock it up, this ones definitely in the books for good and I'd bet my firstborn child on it"?

It's a read. Maybe you're familiar with the concept?

[ofrhz]

Yeah and I'm challenging the read. It's a read that doesn't take into account that FL is good at scum and just generally projects confidence

[Gorkington]

tbh i feel like pine is intentionally lurking
and i dont know if scumpine just tries to lurk this out if we're close to lynching a scumbuddy.

[popsofctown]

okay okay waistdeep in pre-flip assoc arguments = time to end the day

[Gorkington]

okay im being rude next time you say something i disagree with!!!!!

[popsofctown]

I was responding to Chandra and orfhz not gorkington

I thought about peditting to let you know that Pine has done this twice recently as town, in G&R1 and Anyone Can Post

but I am trying to keep my post volume down because I'm probably already overposting

[popsofctown]

Chandra will definitely be rude to me the next time I say something she disagrees with for inherent reasons but hey we can see what orfhz does I'm not sure

[Gorkington]

im so smrt. X'|
im gonna go sit in the corner and think about what i did.

I thought about peditting to let you know that Pine has done this twice recently as town, in G&R1 and Anyone Can Post

bleh.
so he literally just lurked out the entire game?

but I am trying to keep my post volume down because I'm probably already overposting

i feel like your posting content has been productive so its probably not a big deal if theres more of it?

[kuribo]

I don't think Pelican is scum though

and FL can't fake conviction? ... okay

Of course FL could, anyone COULD

Hell, you COULD be an advanced mafia-playing AI, or I COULD be dreaming all of this (god I hope my dreams are better than this)

But speaking as someone whose playstyle rests VERY heavily on gauging the emotional state of other players (and I'm quite good at it, if a little rusty), I don't think that's the case here. You don't need to believe me or my read (and I could GAF less tbh) but that's how I see it. I believe FL very genuinely believes the case against Pelican.

Could I be getting played? Sure. But it's day one, and what's done in the dark gets brought to the light eventually.

[kuribo]

I'm so used to Pine site flaking over the years that I'm more surprised when he's actually active in a game

[Perry Pelican]

RCE, you’re scum af.

Like omg. I’m like 100% right now actually. This is hilarious, but I have to wait a couple days because I can’t actually prove that

So here he's specifically playing towards what he perceives as my tell on him. I've never attempted to lynch him in games that he's scumread me day 1. But it also lets him set up his "Town!FL always flip flops" schtick if I become an unlikely Lynch target.

If you know for a fact your neighborhood are all millers then it doesnt seem very difficult to say "hello I am a miller"

I outed the neighborhood and called FL out on lying about being a miller. His question is answered just via previous gameplay.

What I don't want is people coasting by without keeping up with the game and then using it as an excuse to avoid input. I'm not explicitly saying kuribo will do this but I don't know that he won't right?

Reading the game answers it.

how am I lying about being a Miller? You're literally informed that I am one

miller’s definitely shorthand

This is FL backtracking once he realized that I was implying miller wasn't his role and was just a modifier.

I have a fun role.

I actually got Day 3 IC this time, which is funny in this miller neighborhood.

His first big soft

I have a fun role.

I actually got Day 3 IC this time, which is funny in this miller neighborhood.

If you were to pick a cologne for someone right now who would it be?

Pops. More tonight

The cologne bit was an acknowledgement of his claim but my attempt to also convey I was vig without also claiming day 3 IC.

FL is also throwing out things to hard pocket me that aren't really relevant to the rest of the playerlist that doesn't really come from his scum game. Scum!FL would cast a wider net which makes me think he's trying to consolidate a circle and this is him attempting to reach out.

The only thing that offsets this is the whole neighborhood is released when members die thing but it's probably minor tbh. Plus our neighborhood is pretty low priority.

Fuck

Originally this was confirmation that he was reaching out to form a town block. This doesn't really support any of my argument and I don't remember why I added this.

I don’t believe I’ve been defending you. I’ve been thinking of passing on my Day 3 IC to you to see if you were really town or not.

I think this was after I said he was still claiming a role that isn't really his role. I was thinking at this point I was just going to tell him outright he isn't vig when the hoods opened up night 1 but this is a departure from his Vig sorts and I've never seen Town!FL go back to a previous soft after sitting an additional role. If that makes sense.

Because essentially, that’s gonna be my role this game. I get to confirm one of the 3 of us as town, and if i pick someone who’s mafia, then they just don’t get confirmed.

I’m more than likely just gonna abuse it and get myself Towned. Just saying

Meaning you have a modifier that says informed?

Essentially my role PM says I investigate as mafia twice, the first time it says the neighborhood investigates as mafia, then it says "furry character flavorname man" investigates as mafia

Yup

This is when FL started pushing this as a slip. This was well after the initial interaction with Pops where she claims she caught it. In this gap FL even expressed townreads in me. But it wasn't until Kagami made comments on it that implied he could be swayed that FL really went after it. He had to wait on A.) Pops to be the main pusher of the idea to protect himself from the flip, or at least give him reasonable doubt. And B.) There had to be support to really greenlight it or he had to figure out the angle to push, I'm not really sure which.

[popsofctown]

im so smrt. X'|
im gonna go sit in the corner and think about what i did.

I thought about peditting to let you know that Pine has done this twice recently as town, in G&R1 and Anyone Can Post

bleh.
so he literally just lurked out the entire game?

but I am trying to keep my post volume down because I'm probably already overposting

i feel like your posting content has been productive so its probably not a big deal if theres more of it?

He showed up after he was more able to post for RL reasons. There was confirmation bias on how his lurking was interpreted and also I think his reads would have been more accurate if he had been able to keep up instead of doing catchups. I also mislynched him though a claim that was explained to me later as being verifiably conftown but I didn't understand the setup


My instinct is that my win% goes down if I post too much and create spotlight inequality, but it's possibly the case that it goes up if the fluff proportion is low. I can't be sure.

[Marquis]

merp idk anymore

i keep going from pelican seemed town from play to scum from claim and scum from post wagon reactions to town for fatalism to square one

[Chandra Nalaar]

Yeah and I'm challenging the read. It's a read that doesn't take into account that FL is good at scum and just generally projects confidence

1. I have not played with Flavor Leaf much if at all. How do you expect me to know this? Why are you acting like I'm making some sort of ridiculous point when you dont know if I've played with him before?
2. I dont care very much about meta, as previously expressed.
3. Yes, I am expressing confidence. What's wrong with that?

This is coming from a shade throwing place instead of a concern place for no apparent reason. (I know I throw plenty myself, but it's generally for a reason)

[Chandra Nalaar]

Chandra will definitely be rude to me the next time I say something she disagrees with for inherent reasons but hey we can see what orfhz does I'm not sure

I disagree with this; also, your mom.

[ofrhz]

Yeah and I'm challenging the read. It's a read that doesn't take into account that FL is good at scum and just generally projects confidence

1. I have not played with Flavor Leaf much if at all. How do you expect me to know this? Why are you acting like I'm making some sort of ridiculous point when you dont know if I've played with him before?
2. I dont care very much about meta, as previously expressed.
3. Yes, I am expressing confidence. What's wrong with that?

This is coming from a shade throwing place instead of a concern place for no apparent reason. (I know I throw plenty myself, but it's generally for a reason)

1. I just sort of assume everyone has played with FL
2. I disagree with your approach, but okay
3. No I was saying that FL "just generally projects confidence," not you

It's not shade for no apparent reason. I think FL is scum, and I wanted to know why people thought he was town. If I don't think your reasons for townreading him are good, am I supposed to just keep that to myself?

[Gorkington]

He showed up after he was more able to post for RL reasons. There was confirmation bias on how his lurking was interpreted and also I think his reads would have been more accurate if he had been able to keep up instead of doing catchups. I also mislynched him though a claim that was explained to me later as being verifiably conftown but I didn't understand the setup

ehhh yeah i guess with his current situation it wouldnt be surprising that his ability to keep up with games as either alignment would be limited.

bleh i want to love the idea of a pelican lynch but im kind of lukewarm now.
zzzzz

[Chandra Nalaar]

Since I'm annoyed it's still a topic of discussion I will point out that it has always been and continues to be obvious that FL is not a day 3 anything. If you think he is, go look in a mirror because it says gullible on your forehead

[Chandra Nalaar]

It's not shade for no apparent reason. I think FL is scum, and I wanted to know why people thought he was town. If I don't think your reasons for townreading him are good, am I supposed to just keep that to myself?

I'm trying to figure out why the tone was not "hey Chandra heres a concern I have with your opinion" but rather "hey everyone look at what a big stupid idiot Chandra is"

[Chandra Nalaar]

I realize I shouldnt get suspicious about being discredited when I do it to people i think are bad at mafia like it's my job but, hm.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'd feel bad running pine up to L-1 for lurking because we did that in G&R and it didnt end well

But I wouldn't feel THAT bad.

[kuribo]

I'd do it if I thought it would change his behavior in anyway

But Pine has been a day 1 lynch for so long it may as well be established site meta

[Perry Pelican]

Since I'm annoyed it's still a topic of discussion I will point out that it has always been and continues to be obvious that FL is not a day 3 anything. If you think he is, go look in a mirror because it says gullible on your forehead

That was his Vig claim. It's a callback from a previous game. But the only people it would have been a crumb for was myself and Fish kind of.