Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Chandra Nalaar]

Because confirming it doesn't make it town. FG likes scum vigs.

Scum vig is a fuckton of power, especially in a game where there's an alternative scum wincon anyway. Press Doubt to X.

I'm pretty sure there was a scum vig in a FG game with an alternate wincon just a few years back.

[Gorkington]

i feel like it might be overkill to give scum a vig given the rest of this setup too though.

[popsofctown]

No one says it has to be an ungated vig

[popsofctown]

ooooh maybe caffeine-gated vig, sexy design

shot fails if victim is not an addict

you show up with all the bags of caffeine and the sugary treats

and you say "just for today, pay 50$ and you can have as much as you want

AS MUCH AS YOU WANT"

bwahahahahahahahah caffeine overdose murder!

[Bingle]

but can you walk through some specific reasoning as to why you think FL is scum here?

He's probably not.

If Flavor is scum, it's probably WITH pops and that's some ballsy ass play. That said, FL is exactly the type of person who would go with said ballsy ass play because he's the person who can walk away from that play smelling like roses.

As far as the claim goes, Flavor went super in depth on a Vig crumb (the crumb was complicated, referential, and pointed to a specific player.) In my experience (a lot) with Boon, he tends to go with a smattering of weaker crumbs so that he can tailor his shit to whatever gambit he needs to make. In vengeful ghosts, for example, he crumbed by using V. T. instead of VT when claiming. The fakeclaim this 'supported' was vengecop. Like... The entire process here is completely different than Flavor's normal jumpy as shit claiming, which tells me either he's probably either actually a vig or scum.

[Bingle]

tbh i feel like pine is intentionally lurking

Could be. I know he's doing RL shit too, though, and he's not usually active D1 in larges afaicr.

I'd be down to clown with a Pine wagon though.

[kuribo]

i mean, sure?

i never said i wasnt????

But you voted Bingle, by your own words, for continually pushing the idea they should cross shoot. An idea you agree with.

Lemme tell you, associative tells before flips is garbage, but this sure looks like a poorly aborted bus to me.

[Bingle]

Clarification: I'm still not gonna vote because fuck being a multivoter.

[kuribo]

I mean......

does it only count when others do it, but its fine if u do it?

It's different when I'm telling someone to shoot me instead of shoot someone else. "Hey you should kill the parity cop" and "hey vig me" are two wildly different statements but you keep on doing you

[Gorkington]

im going to say this again.
and if you dont get it im just not going to bother engaging you on this and you can flip tables over something youre super blatantly wrong about.

but there is literally nothing in the detraction from the wagon im calling wrong or scummy or anything.
NOTHING.
in the reasoning.

its SPECIFICALLY that he was detracting from a wagon without providing an alternative.
thats it.
theres nothing else there.

if you dont get that then idk what to tell you.

[kuribo]

And I'm saying you aren't providing an alternative either by parking a meaningless vote on a wagon that won't pick up steam

[Bingle]

I'm pretty sure there was a scum vig in a FG game with an alternate wincon just a few years back.

I'd ask for lynx, but let's be honest. I don't got time for that shit.

[Gorkington]

i guess im just dumb as fuck and thought i could drive a wagon
sorry for being a dumbass?

should i just vote pelican and exit out of the game for the rest of the day?
lemme know thanks

[Gorkington]

like cool you think im ineffective
i didnt think i was.

i guess my mistake for being optimistic about the possibility of driving something.

[Bingle]

And I'm saying you aren't providing an alternative either by parking a meaningless vote on a wagon that won't pick up steam

I'm legitimately confused about this lecture.

Like... Why can't my wagon pick up steam? We have three days left, I'm already full claimed, I'm not really around to defend myself other than spurts, and you and pops both SR me. Hell, Vec and Quis too, I think.

[Gorkington]

im too bad to get you lynched i guess!

[Gorkington]

good news for you i suppose!

[kuribo]

You must not be too terrible at pushing wagons since you said

i literally drove a decent part of the momentum on the pelican wagon in the first place?????

[kuribo]

And I'm saying you aren't providing an alternative either by parking a meaningless vote on a wagon that won't pick up steam

I'm legitimately confused about this lecture.

Like... Why can't my wagon pick up steam? We have three days left, I'm already full claimed, I'm not really around to defend myself other than spurts, and you and pops both SR me. Hell, Vec and Quis too, I think.

I mean it could but for someone who disagrees that the vigs should just cross kill he's sure unwilling to lynch one and therefore force them to "cross kill."

[Gorkington]

i hope fish and you are both town so that everything youve done this game has been pointlessly toxic.

[Bingle]

kuribo/pops/FL/? scumteam?

Is that... like too out there?

[kuribo]

Let's put it a little more ELI5


There are two possible stances:

1. Lynch one of the vigs
2. Attempt the situation resolve itself

There is no middle ground and no possible way to avoid one or the other: any lynch other than 1 results in 2.

Gork voted you on the grounds he didn't like you "pushing" 2.

But he then goes on to move his vote, thus making 2 more likely.

It's not that it's a meaningless vote in general because your wagon can pick up steam, I'm saying it's a meaningless vote from someone who says they want to avoid the vig claims 1v1ing.

[kuribo]

i hope fish and you are both town so that everything youve done this game has been pointlessly toxic.

Dude I'm not even being toxic right now and that hurts.

[Bingle]

Gork voted me on the grounds that I haven't been pushing reads. Which is true. I haven't.

[kuribo]

Like what the fuck is with people calling me toxic just because I question their god damn posts


That's some seriously gaslighting shit