Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Marquis]

like in my memory it was someone all like oh I was somehow mistaken I thought all hoods had daytalk. yours doesn't? ok cool moving on
ugh where

[Kagami]

Marquis, FG puts a scum vig in almost all of his larger setups. He likes games to end fast. Look at the recent Guns & Roses setup, in which the scum are all one-shot vigs and there's an alternative win-con that is basically the same as this one. You're also assuming 4 scum, which I don't think is necessarily the case, especially since the pool is getting very shallow.

I admit my feet are getting a little chilly on Perry, but if we're going to look elsewhere, I'd like to at least ensure that his shot is directed.

[Bingle]

hoo boy

VOTE: bingle gork idk if this gets anywhere but I'm with it
like with the timing and content of bingle's pop ins I saw the same thing. I don't exactly want to call it whiteknighting bc idk if pelican is town but it's easy scum content to throw up opposition to stuff without trying to lead town in an actual direction.

This is a scumpost.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Jingle - do you see what I’m saying?

Jingle isn't playing in this game (or was that just to me??)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

spicy

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Idc which one of y'all is vig as long as I get shot

That actually is a compelling breadcrumb tbh

So, you're taking back your Parity Cop claim and claiming what? Martyr?

[kuribo]

Idc which one of y'all is vig as long as I get shot

That actually is a compelling breadcrumb tbh

So, you're taking back your Parity Cop claim and claiming what? Martyr?

No, I'm a parity cop but I'm over this shitshow of a game

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Pelican knowing that i was a Vigilante, claimed Vigilante to create a 1v1 Vig on Vig between us so they would specifically be allowed to live through the day because Vig/Vig takes care of itself, when this is far from the case, especially because it’s likely that Scum have a Roleblocker based on the Caffeine mechanic.

Like, I got everything you said before and was warming up to vote RCE, but this one's too moon-logic'y even for me.

I was with you until (and including) he knew you were a Vig and would shoot pops (and I had my own thoughts that scum him would probably claim the shot on D2 and maybe go 1v1 on you then, ir just be taken at face value if you don't CC).

Now what I fail to understand is him creating this 1v1 with you NOW. If he wanted to survive today, surely he would be lynched tomorrow if we have only one death at night. Him claiming to have been blocked would be countered by you having been blocked too, which probably leads to his lynch most of the time. Moreover, he cannot (and could not) have shot you either because -I think- your flip would also make him look pretty sus.

So, in all cases I don't think it was a wise move to "fake" claim Vig in this situation, and I think it more likely that you are both Vigs (with certain conditions that are being kept on the back of my mind).

But you know what? I still think Vigs

in this particular game

are a negative utility and should holster anyway (at least on N1), so if it helps I may still be up to take the risk and lynch Pelican anyway. (I just won't vote until I'm all caught up)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Pelican as a Vig, who knows I am a Vig, does not make this comment here towards Pops, because the correct assumption would be to assume that Pops is also a Vig here, as Pelican stated that he thought, but this actively shows that that wasn’t the thought process that he had.

I agree to this line of thought too.

[kuribo]

I've had no less than three people now, including one that I genuinely like, tell me what a toxic piece of shit I am every time I open my mouth

I've got seventy pages of a day one where half the shit is either mechanics, or meta between players with long histories, or just shitposting

I've had two players literally say they just wanted to egg me on, one of whom knows I'm trying to stay off thin ice with the admins

I fucking hate being town and games like this are why

There is no god damn reason for me to play mafia anymore, I don't enjoy it

And I've tried dude my god have I fuckin tried. I can't even question anybody these days without being called an asshole outta nowhere or having some fuck try to bait me into getting banned. It's fucking exhausting, do you understand, it's fucking tiring after twelve goddamn years the same bullshit game in and game out.

And yeah maybe I'm a little too fuckin sensitive, so what, that's a me problem not anyone else's for sure, but still one I keep in mind

And I fuckin knew man, I knew from the second FG messaged me and asked me to in I'd regret it, but I did it as a favor to him and because the player list looked interesting. What I shoulda done was ripped my nuts off and swallowed them, because it'd be a hell of a lot more fun than I'm having now

Seventy

Fucking

Pages

Of meta tells, of mechanics, of secret alts, of people baiting me or calling me a toxic person

So you're god damn right I'd rather get shot than have to deal with any of that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hammer

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Before you do anything, I’d like you to take a hard stance on confirming if you knew or did not know that I was crumbing Vig, Perry the

Platypus

Pelican.

Mate, even I knew it. (I just didn't know if you were serious, which again coincides with "Of course I knew. I just had no idea." - Sylvester Stallone as: Angelo 'Snaps' Provolone from the movie: Oscar)

Btw, the next quote (from the same movie) also ironically fits the situation here:

Eduardo Provolone : Ah, so now you wanna make-a peace with you papa? You wanna me die happy.
Snaps : Of course, Papa.
Eduardo Provolone : So now you *wanna* me die!
[slaps him]
Snaps : HURT: Papa, no!

So, Pelican is definitely Snaps here, and Provolone Sr is papa Leaf.

Note: You two had that same argument in a recent game I was in.. not that you both were Vigs, but you talked about the D3 IC crumb thing

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Hammer

DON'T YOU DARE! NOT YET. I need to bloody read an COMMENT on stuff (just in case pops

is

a bloody Vig and is persistent on sending me to heaven at the age of 51)

[Pine]

Oh hey

26 more pages

Definitely not catching up until you people take a chill pill (or probably until D2)

[Pine]

@Penguin - Who should I vote for and why?

I'll take my answer off the air.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

He was actively buttering up and appealing to me because he knew I was a Vig and didn’t want to get shot, but he knew by town reading me directly and too hard, I’d get suspicious, so if you look back at our previous back and forth, he also had an off trajectory

I said OK, dammit! Let someone else speak

(And now you know why FL wasn't playing the game YET, because once he got the mic he assumes its his own property for good)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

He is also claiming my exact same role, which means that we DEFINITELY would have the same role pm if he were town.

NOT if >I< was the mod.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

No, I'm saying he could no-kill gambit and say oh shit I was testing their claim

That would get him lynched 11 times out of 10. Did you forget about the "leaves their neighborhood and joins ours" bit?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?

That's not how I see it.

What I see is FL is 100% TOWN here (and NOT lying about his role.. this has to do with how survivalistic FL is as scum).

PP is very likely caught scum, but not 100%. There's a slight chance of mod-fuckery here still.

But I do believe in lynching PP anyway now because I support gun control. (Yes, I do. ONLY JUDGES should have access to any kind of lethal weapon).

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, I’m technically on VLA, but it’s less than 48 hours so i wasn’t officially going, but I’ll for sure spend my friend’s birthday tomorrow while out of town

But I’ll get here and grab the mic again if i need to.

Pelican is the play.

And thank you, JJD. I am super survivalistic as scum, and never risk me dying like I would be in this scenario.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Shush you. We're checking to see if Pelican tastes like Duck or Chicken.

If we go by "you are what you eat" then it's more likely he tastes like fish & frogs salad.

[Pine]

Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?

That's not how I see it.

What I see is FL is 100% TOWN here (and NOT lying about his role.. this has to do with how survivalistic FL is as scum).

PP is very likely caught scum, but not 100%. There's a slight chance of mod-fuckery here still.

But I do believe in lynching PP anyway now because I support gun control. (Yes, I do. ONLY JUDGES should have access to any kind of lethal weapon).

Wait, clarify?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Which is X-shot vig

THAT is/was my main point when I said you could both be Vigs! Limited shots or specific Nights.

[PenguinPower]

Can we pls stop saying PP in reference to the fake PP?

It's confusing for me. Thx.

[Bingle]

Wait, clarify?

pops mechanics trapped Perry into saying the miller part of their role PM was in the neighborhood bit.

pops and FL both clarified it was both in the neighborhood bit and the abilities bit.

Perry claimed vig.

FL counterclaimed vig.

Perry is almost certainly scum based on the whole given direct instructions to look at his Role PM he didn't describe a miller role PM.

Perry has since acknowledged that the miller bit comes up in both places, meaning JJD is just high when he attributes this to mod fuckery because townPerry wouldn't change his story unless he derpread in the first place.

Given that Perry claimed a confirmable role, I want to give him a night phase to, you know, confirm his role. As you do.