Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: perry
yeah this feels like scum given up.

REAL:LY going to sleep now
ready for day to end sorta at least i dont feel bad about my vote




edit: @kuribo

pops, flavor, and perry are in a hood. the hood says everyone in it investigates as mafia.

perry emphatically stated there was no "you investigate as mafia" esque text in his role pm.

pops and flavor stopped on that comment to say they both do have that text in their role pm. (i can confirm this is the case for me too.)

so what perry's PoV was, he thought pops and flavor only knew they investigated as mafia because the hood first post said so. he didn't realize the millers would get that info as a personal role modifier in their role pm. it follows perry didn't receive that miller-specific role pm text because he's scum - of course mafia inherently investigate as mafia, so FG doesn't write that line in the scum role pm

this is one of those instances where it really does seem like a role pm related slip that can't just be caused by town not remembering everything.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL I don't know if you know this but I am like 90% accurate when I've rolled Vig on site. The exception is the first normal we played together where my big was disloyal modified.

The way you're insisting we don't have this 1v1 tells me scum doesn't have a block available tonight.

so
pelican is scum
?

Yeah, for multiple reasons.

1: the not having 2 investigates as mafia in his role pm, a la Pops and I with our abilities and our neighborhood.
2: his knowledge and confirmation of me being a vig, where he essentially asked who I was shooting with cologne gambit (i explained way back)
3: him not countering anything when I was obvi crumbing his role, and since we have the exact same role, we should have identical role PM’s, at least mechanically.
4: his trajectory of who he would shoot
5: his back and forth attitude with me and his thoughts not lining up, because scum him HAS to be wary of me just like I always have to be wary of him when I’m scum.

This is all PRIOR to the Vig claim by him, which forced us into a Vig-Vig setup with a bunch of players who have the philosophy of let the vig’s solve themselves, when I abuse that philosophy myself when I’m scum.

I was scum with NewbSkitter once, and Eddie Cane and I were hard coaching her years back, she was going down, and we had her claim Vigilante strictly because of the philosophy around letting Vig’s live. We got 2 mislynches before she went down, and was able to set the game up for EC and I to hard sweep the rest of the game.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Hot-Take: ofrhz has rolled scum against me YET AGAIN! (Bingle might have too).

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Yeah and I'm challenging the read. It's a read that doesn't take into account that FL is good at scum and just generally projects confidence

This is ofrhz knowing PP (the fake one ) is flipping town and is lining up FL for a mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, ofhrz is clearly chainsawing me because they’re S/s

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

i think i want this
VOTE: bingle

I can get behind that for now

VOTE: Bingle

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

i feel like it might be overkill to give scum a vig given the rest of this setup too though.

Indeed it would be

Overkill 2

to have an SK also a member of the Mafia team with a separate kill of their own.

That said, this game is single ball with no additional 2 SK's in it (right?) so I guess it's not THAT overkill

[Bingle]

i think i want this
VOTE: bingle

I can get behind that for now

VOTE: Bingle

Why?

[ofrhz]

Yeah and I'm challenging the read. It's a read that doesn't take into account that FL is good at scum and just generally projects confidence

This is ofrhz knowing PP (the fake one ) is flipping town and is lining up FL for a mislynch.

How did you go from thinking Pelipper was caught scum to here?

[ofrhz]

Nah, ofhrz is clearly chainsawing me because they’re S/s

Yeah I'm aware it'd look really awkward if Pelipper flips scum

Might as well just vig me if that happens lol

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, ofhrz is clearly chainsawing me because they’re S/s

Yeah I'm aware it'd look really awkward if Pelipper flips scum

Might as well just vig me if that happens lol

Yeah, I’m not going Bingle ever today, tbh.

To be fair, I think anyone not Pelican is just flat out a bad vote.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pelican is caught scum for the plethora of reasons I’ve stated already. And he probably had a scum partner make a case elsewhere.

Never Bingle.

Never anyone but Pelican.

Point blank.

[Bingle]

I think both JJD and Marquis's votes on me are all sortsa gross.

I think my preferred lynch is JJD, actually.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?

That's not how I see it.

What I see is FL is 100% TOWN here (and NOT lying about his role.. this has to do with how survivalistic FL is as scum).

PP is very likely caught scum, but not 100%. There's a slight chance of mod-fuckery here still.

But I do believe in lynching PP anyway now because I support gun control. (Yes, I do. ONLY JUDGES should have access to any kind of lethal weapon).

Wait, clarify?

What's there to clarify? Could you please bold the part(s) you want clarification on?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Can we pls stop saying PP in reference to the fake PP?

It's confusing for me. Thx.

You didn't say PP (pretty please)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

How did you go from thinking Pelipper was caught scum to here?

I rent a taxi.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

i think i want this
VOTE: bingle

I can get behind that for now

VOTE: Bingle

Why?

Because you

are

deepwolfing. You probably know they're both Vigs and want them to shoot each other (and in case one holsters the other will flip and there's grounds for you/your team to push the other's lynch).

Town you would NOT be "not voting" under these circumstances. You just want to appear super town, like "hey.. I've got this power and I'm not using it!"

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Bingle is hiding behind the "fact" he can neither be investigated not can he be vigged or even blocked.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.8

Marquis [1] - Pine
Judge Joseph Dredd [1] - ofrhz
Chandra Nalaar [3] - Vecna x3
Kagami [1] - Day One Lynch
Perry Pelican [7] - Flavor Leaf, PenguinPower, kuribo, Kagami, Chandra Nalaar, popsofctown, Fish Monger
Bingle [3] - Gorkington, Marquis, Judge Joseph Dredd

Not Voting [3]

- Croag, Bingle, Perry Pelican

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-08-31 20:00:00)

[Marquis]

God I want to be a good town player again who gets along with everyone and bands together with a townbloc to systematically trap scum but first off I wanna be a GOOD town player

why am I so wishy washy I HATE this

[Marquis]

like everything about pelican post vig claim and maybe-scumslip says scum. but I'm legitimately afraid he'll flip town because I really can see how we're all just fcking wrong about the setup

and then bingle who I believe I do scumread them for valid reasons but there's that tiny voice in the back of my head questioning if it's because I've ALSO fallen into that false belief there must be scum in our Hood, and if it's not me and it's not Vecna,,,,,,



I'm sorry. Mafia is one of those games where generally being more confident in your reads gets you townreads and leadership cred and damn I wish I had that rn to be a better town player.

all I think I know rn are my townreads and even then I'm so paranoid I'm just gonna eat egg later on or at endgame.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

And if he pretends to be scum reading me here that's even more reason for me to think he's scum. Town Bingle/Jingle can pretty easily tell I am town here (the way I played in this game).

Another reason for SCUM!Bingle to push me (or have me shot tonight if that fails) is I probably caught one oif his scum buddies in D1L/Gork/ofrhz (and I now think it;s ofrhz). I know the other two won't be as certain and will probably look elsewhere until it's too late.

These 3 (plus me) are in one neighborhood together (I won't say what we have in common if it pleases D1L, but rest assured scum already know because THERE IS ONE SCUM IN OUR HOOD AND IT'S OFRHZ).

D1L response to me "hinting" at the neighborhood is townie. Gork's is NAI but he is being lazy. ofrhz' deflected and then tried to pass me as a suspect of hers.

@D1L: You seemed to object not once but TWICE at me hinting on the neighborhood. Now if you wanted to be smart you would have waited for the night to fall and ask (or even grill me) for it in the PT. THAT is why I've been ignoring you, to try and balance between having crumbed the membership and not explicitly mentioned it. But if that's the reason you're going to suspect me form, then I will out it (and I just did) and if you persist I will out more info. If you want to be smart be smart to the end. (I will reiterate, scum already KNOW about our neighborhood because OFRHZ IS SCUM).

[Marquis]

also kuribo if I'm treating you like shit I'm so so sorry really. I think that's the thing I want the most to get better at knowing what lines not to cross in mafia.

[Bingle]

Because you are deepwolfing.

:thorface:

I'm deepwolfing, in that roughly half of the playerlist has expressed a willingness to lynch me and the best descriptor to my play is absent. Sure.

I'm hiding behind my inability to be targeted by making sure that everyone knows that I have to be solved via dayplay. Sure.

Both of those are all sorts of dumb, but really, the big concern with your vote is that I was mechanically town in your eyes yesterday and suddenly I'm scum with no progression at all.

[Marquis]

like in my memory it was someone all like oh I was somehow mistaken I thought all hoods had daytalk. yours doesn't? ok cool moving on
ugh where

quoting this so I don't forget to look into i during RL tomorrow if we get there.