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official vote count 1.13

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Leucosticte

(2): Micc, Farren

Chemist1422

(2): NorwegianboyEE, Jamelia

Jamelia

(2): Dyrenz, Mr Oobsy

Farren

(1): skitter30

NorwegianboyEE

(1): Chemist1422

Not Voting

(1): Leucosticte

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-09-04 23:00:00).

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[Dyrenz]

Because

Dyrenz

voted him.

I don't really like your reasoning at all here :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm.. Mr Oobsy has been acting suspicious a couple of times now. Not sure i feel so confident in him anymore.

[Farren]

Because

Dyrenz

voted him.

Why does that matter?

[Mr Oobsy]

I voted with

Dyrenz

because he is practically confirmed

Town

. There was nobody in particular I wanted to vote, so voting with him makes my vote immune to suspicion. Since if anyone were to suspect I were

Mafia

encouraging

Dyrenz

to mislynch, they could test me by having

Dyrenz

change his vote to see if I followed it.

But after reading the

NewbScum Greeting Tell

thread I have decided to vote

Chemist1422

based on this:

Newbie scum players are twice as likely to greet the game in their first post as Newbie town players are.

hi

UNVOTE: Jamelia
VOTE: Chemist1422

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Chemist
How do you feel about Mr Oobsy? Do you think he is scum or town?

[Dyrenz]

Isn't Chemist an SE though? Not newbie?

[Mr Oobsy]

My mistake. That leaves

Jamelia

and

NorwegianboyEE

:

Hi!

Hello friends.

If you read the thread I linked, it's clear the tell is specifically a greeting not explicitly directed at players. Only

Jamelia

's greeting fits that criterion.

UNVOTE: Chemist1422
VOTE: Jamelia

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you read the thread I linked, it's clear the tell is specifically a greeting not explicitly directed at players. Only

Jamelia

's greeting fits that criterion.

That argument is total bullcrap lmao.

[Mr Oobsy]

That argument is total bullcrap lmao.

The thesis of the thread is bullcrap, or my interpretation of it?

[Dyrenz]

That sounds like a reaaaaally loose correlation. I don't think you're scum Oobsy, but you're grasping at straws here

[NorwegianboyEE]

That argument is total bullcrap lmao.

The thesis of the thread is bullcrap, or my interpretation of it?

The entire idea is deserving of ridicule honestly. If i’m voting someone it’s not going to be because they said "hi"

[Micc]

Trying not to get annoyed at the policy lynch stuff, as if I start ranting about that it'll derail things too much. We've had enough of that already.

Sorry for questioning something you don't see the merit in discussing, but I don't follow what you're referencing here. I ask mostly because we seem to be mutually town reading each other and that makes understanding your reads important to me.

[Dyrenz]

Because you're the scumteam?


/s



...?

And what would be your read on this? Just because?

I was just referencing the fact that only you and Norwegian are still convinced Chemist's vote was scummy, and it was mostly a joke

[Mr Oobsy]

Long story short, I did some math and learned

Dyrenz

is right about the tell not being reliable enough to apply in our current situation.

[Chemist1422]

Why Jamelia, Mr Oobsy?

Because

Dyrenz

voted him.

this is not great logic

It makes these two not likely partners though so that’s something to keep in mind

[Chemist1422]

I voted with

Dyrenz

because he is practically confirmed

Town

. There was nobody in particular I wanted to vote, so voting with him makes my vote immune to suspicion. Since if anyone were to suspect I were

Mafia

encouraging

Dyrenz

to mislynch, they could test me by having

Dyrenz

change his vote to see if I followed it.

But after reading the

NewbScum Greeting Tell

thread I have decided to vote

Chemist1422

based on this:

Newbie scum players are twice as likely to greet the game in their first post as Newbie town players are.

hi

UNVOTE: Jamelia
VOTE: Chemist1422

I got lynched for that as town in my first game so please no

I also think Oobsy constantly having to reach for reasons to vote is scummy, especially given how neither of these last two were because of their own actual reads

[Chemist1422]

I wouldn’t say I’m scumreading Oobsy but they’re definitely not in my top town anymore

[Mr Oobsy]

I got lynched for that as town in my first game

I just checked and this is true. LOL.

[Farren]

Sorry for questioning something you don't see the merit in discussing, but I don't follow what you're referencing here. I ask mostly because we seem to be mutually town reading each other and that makes understanding your reads important to me.

Mr Oobsy is probably a town vanilla tbh but in the absence of any major scumtells, I don't have a problem with pushing him overboard if he's going to be a liability; we need the final group of players to be people whose judgment we can rely on

I know Leucosticte is not the only one who has voiced this sort of thing.

And I can even kinda see a justification in Majority Rules - I think a policy lynch would probably be better than no lynch at all from a pro-town perspective.

But from a health-of-the-game perspective, it's a dangerous road to walk, and I'd just as soon avoid it if at all possible.

If people are saying "X is scum because" (unpopular opinion that probably benefits scum more than town), OK. If people are saying "X is town because" yadda yadda, "but lynch them anyway," I am going to object.

[Farren]

I voted with

Dyrenz

because he is practically confirmed

Town

. There was nobody in particular I wanted to vote, so voting with him makes my vote immune to suspicion. Since if anyone were to suspect I were

Mafia

encouraging

Dyrenz

to mislynch, they could test me by having

Dyrenz

change his vote to see if I followed it.

Voting with Dyrenz by no means makes you or your vote immune to suspicion.

Who you vote matters, but why you vote matters just as much. Arguably more so, in some cases.

If you're saying your motive is to avoid suspicion, that's a scummy mindset. Yeah, Town doesn't want to get mislynched any more than scum wants to get lynched, but it shouldn't be Town's top priority. Scumhunting should be - and voting is just as much a scumhunting tool as it is a scumkilling tool.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Mr Oobsy

[Micc]

Time to start consolidating wagons folks. I prefer Leocosticte, would settle for Oobsy, and oppose chemist.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Time to start consolidating wagons folks. I prefer Leocosticte, would settle for Oobsy, and oppose chemist.

Why are you so sure of Chemist's towniness?
And why would you prefer Leocosticte?

[Micc]

I’m not, but I haven’t seen a case on him that I’ve agreed with so him being wagoned feels silly to me.