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[Plotinus]

official vote count 1.14

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Jamelia

(2): Dyrenz, Mr Oobsy

Leucosticte

(2): Micc, Farren

Mr Oobsy

(1): NorwegianboyEE

Chemist1422

(1): Jamelia

NorwegianboyEE

(1): Chemist1422

Farren

(1): skitter30

Not Voting

(1): Leucosticte

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-09-04 23:00:00).

Mod notes:

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[Leucosticte]

Time to start consolidating wagons folks. I prefer Leocosticte, would settle for Oobsy, and oppose chemist.

You were wrong about Dyrenz, so why would should anyone think you're right now? From my point of view, you've now falsely accused not just one, but TWO people. What are the odds of a townie doing that by accident?!

VOTE: Micc

[Farren]

Time to start consolidating wagons folks. I prefer Leocosticte, would settle for Oobsy, and oppose chemist.

You were wrong about Dyrenz, so why would should anyone think you're right now? From my point of view, you've now falsely accused not just one, but TWO people. What are the odds of a townie doing that by accident?!

VOTE: Micc

Assuming the accuser is town and accuses two people at random:

First: 2/8 Scum, 6/8 Town. Accuses Town. Remove that town from the pool.
Second: 2/7 Scum, 5/7 Town. Accuses Town again.

Odds of both events happening: (6/8) * (5/7). About 54%. Not just plausible, but more likely to happen than not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Leucosticte
I see you are voting Micc. I'm not sure how i feel about that.
Micc would be useful to keep around if he is genuine. But he did just claim that he would "oppose" an chemist vote. So one good way to find out if Micc is genuine and still keep him around is voting Chemist. If Chemist flips mafia we can consider lynching Micc or Skitter30. If Chemist flips town then Micc and Skitter30 is more likely to be town.
I'm still open for lynching Mr Oobsy or maybe someone else, but i'm trying to figure out who'se flip would reveal the most information as well as potentially be a scum player.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And the reason i believe this would prove their alignment is because if they were scum and knew Chemist was town, i'm sure they would be completely ok with facilitating his mislynch. So either way his flip would be an good indication of alignments.

[Farren]

Thing is, accusations are not made at random (except maybe during RVS, but I'd hardly call those votes accusations). So arguing the odds at all isn't going to do much good. Better to counter the accusations with evidence to the contrary, or show why the accusations are otherwise flawed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I believe finding out whether the Semi-Experienced players are genuine is our biggest priority right now. I don't want them taking control of the game as scum players, that's a big worry of mine. Therefore based on that logic, i believe voting Chemist is the best choice out of everyone. Who's with me?

VOTE: Chemist1422

[Farren]

And the reason i believe this would prove their alignment is because if they were scum and knew Chemist was town, i'm sure they would be completely ok with facilitating his mislynch. So either way his flip would be an good indication of alignments.

It might be evidentiary, but it wouldn't be proof.

Scum can and will defend members of the Town from time to time. Conversely, scum can and will question, vote for, and accuse their partners.

That being said, busing is risky as heck in a 9er. Even more risky given Dyrenz's claim - Trackers and Jailkeepers become much more dangerous to a lone scum, and one of them is almost certainly in the game.

[Chemist1422]

I believe finding out whether the Semi-Experienced players are genuine is our biggest priority right now. I don't want them taking control of the game as scum players, that's a big worry of mine. Therefore based on that logic, i believe voting Chemist is the best choice out of everyone. Who's with me?

VOTE: Chemist1422

what

this isn't even an alignment-related reason you're just scared of my scum game that you've never seen???

[Micc]

Time to start consolidating wagons folks. I prefer Leocosticte, would settle for Oobsy, and oppose chemist.

You were wrong about Dyrenz, so why would should anyone think you're right now? From my point of view, you've now falsely accused not just one, but TWO people. What are the odds of a townie doing that by accident?!

VOTE: Micc

As Farren’s math correctly shows, the odds are better for than not. If you’re going to push me, please find some better reasoning than inaccurate reads because those are par for the course for everyone on Day 1.

[Farren]

Leucosticte: why Micc over me? Both of us are voting you.

[Leucosticte]

Leucosticte: why Micc over me? Both of us are voting you.

If you want it that badly, you can have it; it's fine with me.

UNVOTE: Micc
VOTE: Farren

[Farren]

My logic here:

skitter's already voting me. If Leucosticte is scum, then unless his partner is exactly skitter, it makes more sense for scum-Leucosticte to be trying to set me up as a potential consolidation target than to be trying to start a new wagon on Micc, especially as skitter appears to be tunneling. Or alternately pushing chemist, who already has some votes, unless his partner is exactly chemist - but obviously both can't be partners to scum-Leucosticte, so there is definitely a better choice than Micc available to scum-Leucosticte.

Maybe Leucosticte actually is Town and is just lashing out rather than faking an appeal to emotion and deliberately using bad logic. Let's investigate further. Over eight hours have passed, so *if* Leucosticte is Town and just pissed off at being voted for, he should have calmed down by now.

Based on your response, I am eliminating that "maybe" as a possibility.

So either you're Town-Leucosticte and pissed off, well after the heat of the moment, voting for me because you think scum-Me actively wants to be voted for - or you're scum-Leucosticte. Or I'm missing something.

Explain, please.

[Mr Oobsy]

I know

Dyrenz

is

Town

because he claimed an extremely confirmable class. If he lied, we'd know tomorrow.

I know

Leucosticte

is

Town

because the 4 threads he's started during this game demonstrate a sincere effort to learn the best way to play

Town

:

• If lynching disallowed D1, even # of players favors town?
  
• "We'd be much more likely to kill a townie than a scum"
  
• How much of this game is just luck?
  
• Is it bad to lynch truly randomly during RVS?

If you're saying your motive is to avoid suspicion, that's a scummy mindset.

I don't find anyone suspicious, so the typical motive of

"I'm voting because I think they're

Mafia

"

is not an option for me. I am making the most of my vote.

[Chemist1422]

That’s extremely angleshooty and against the rules so don’t make reads like that

[Chemist1422]

That’s extremely angleshooty and against the rules so don’t make reads like that

This was about the Leuco read

[Mr Oobsy]

I did not seek out that evidence, I stumbled upon it. I can't help but make a read off it and I see no rule prohibiting me from sharing it.

[Farren]

That’s extremely angleshooty and against the rules so don’t make reads like that

This was about the Leuco read

Whose? Mine or Mr Oobsy's?

[Chemist1422]

That’s extremely angleshooty and against the rules so don’t make reads like that

This was about the Leuco read

Whose? Mine or Mr Oobsy's?

oobsy's

[Chemist1422]

I did not seek out that evidence, I stumbled upon it. I can't help but make a read off it and I see no rule prohibiting me from sharing it.

This falls under the "no outside influences" section of the site rules

[Mr Oobsy]

Let's leave this up to the moderator.

[Leucosticte]

I mean, that's kinda meta. At any rate, I play this game on more than one site, and we just had a game on the other site, wlf-071, where there was a random shooting. https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Wlf-071

I actually think it might be against the rules of this site if I were to write threads about ongoing games.

[skitter30]

My homework for the night - reading some completed games of skitter and Chemist. Not going to bother with Micc; strong Town-read there.

why is micc a townread ?

[skitter30]

conclusion about skitter based on games I read: not going to be productive to continue reading. I'm seeing both town and scum parallels, comparing against three town games and one scum game. More town than scum, but I read more town games than scum games, because duh.

skitter: what if anything has caused your read on Chemist to change since post 131 ?

i've been told i'm hard to read :p

basically i still don't like his rvs post but like he hasn't done much else ai and i think people are scummier and being suspicious of him became like a ~popular~ opinion so i'm wondering if scum were piling on when it was popular

[skitter30]

* and i think other people are scummier