Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[chennisden]

That's shoddy reasoning that should be avoided at least until one of them flips scum

[Marquis]

I really don't think Bingle is scum here.

I think with one scum down going into Day 2 I'm honestly all in to lynch anyone currently in my unsorted tier, no particular preference - orzhf, Croag, Kagami, JJD.
Pops might fall into that too, but it might just be because I'm paranoid. She's putting herself out there a lot so I'm generally fine seeing her stick around til late game at least.


@chennis it's not that I don't have scumreads but for me the easiest way to find scum is to remove everyone I believe is town
I'm more confident in townreads especially when it's because the slot towntold or has said something I think is very unlikely scum would think to fake

When I have scumreads, often I'm just unsure if they're town saying the wrong thing to put it simply.

[chennisden]

That approach works sometimes but generally you get a deepwolf

Calling so many people town without really differentiating what your "hmm I guess" reads and "this is actually really pinging me town a lot, and i will trust my gut" reads. and you have listed too many TRs for them all to be a) "really pinging town" reads and b) for them to be reliable enough to use.

[Bingle]

Oh, I explained my defense of Pelican in the hood. I'm not going into it here, but you can go ahead and ask Vec/Marquis if it makes sense.

That’s literally the main thing.

It feels and felt way too TMI.

There were reasons. Those reasons are not for mortal men. I’m fairly confident both marquis and Vecna are town, and thus will endorse the reasons as existing. Unless the scumteam is {Bingle/Vecna/Marquis} that should be enough.

[Bingle]

listed too many TRs for them all to be a) "really pinging town"

Really?

[Bingle]

not properly emulating town!Bingle

Is there anything I've ever done that makes you think I'm incapable of being towny as scum?

I haven't seen scum-bingle bus yet in my sample size 1, for starters, and I don't recall you calling out fishmonger obvscum from day 1

I had to click quote like four times before my fat fingers didn’t try to report you, so obvs this post is way out of line.

Yes, I am more than capable of bussing a buddy who is going down. Also, the game in question I totally bussed Dunn slot right into the D5 ic role. I was preparing HH to endgame the whole time off of our corpses. And even then, with a clear plan of “I’m not the endgame wolf” I managed to be town to the point that there were maybe three people with even a hint of a scumread on me. And that was after we came to a point where scum realized they only needed to quickhammer a specific role into our team on D2. Compare that to my play this game.

The only way this is my scumgame is if I think my partners are so set up you’ll never catch them.

[Day One Wagon]

Since JJD didn't tell, I have to - thing he called me out at end of D1 is that our sanity flips

Now for night - I still believe that we have scum in our hood, it just makes so much sense putting one here with town vig (or 2, still not too sold on FL being town vig). JJD argument was that mechanically it makes more sense for scum to be in other 4 hoods. He started with scumread on ofrhz, then after some discussion he proposed us join invincible hood and form town block, I found that proposition opportunistic, it relied on fact that we all 4, Vecna and Marquis are town. I called him out and said I expect him to do better as a town than propose spmething like this. At end of the night his scumread on ofrhz resurfaced again, so I'm happy that I didn't agree - it appears that his townread ofrhz wasn't very serious and it makes his proposition even more suspicious

Another thing that JJD forgot to mention is that he called us clowns for turning down his offer and making choice to be shields for PRs - we essentially VTs, but scum must kill us, if they want caffeine win

[popsofctown]

Guys we will never catch Bingle's scumpartners

[popsofctown]

If there's a repeat use doctor in the vanilla neighborhood, couldn't everyone go into the vanilla neighborhood except 1 widely townread non-addict player, then that player gets docced every night, then we play nightless mafia????

[Flavor Leaf]

Pretty sure I’m conf town, D1L

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, I explained my defense of Pelican in the hood. I'm not going into it here, but you can go ahead and ask Vec/Marquis if it makes sense.

That’s literally the main thing.

It feels and felt way too TMI.

There were reasons. Those reasons are not for mortal men. I’m fairly confident both marquis and Vecna are town, and thus will endorse the reasons as existing. Unless the scumteam is {Bingle/Vecna/Marquis} that should be enough.

So there’s multiple all town neighborhoods?

[Day One Wagon]

Pretty sure I’m conf town, D1L

Is it beyond scum you to shoot buddy to conf town yourself?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yes. This was gone into in detail in Musicals.

[Day One Wagon]

Still, it's hard to believe in 2 town vigs. On upside, I trust you more that I did after RCE flip and you're not my main lynch target for today any more

[Flavor Leaf]

Still, it's hard to believe in 2 town vigs. On upside, I trust you more that I did after RCE flip and you're not my main lynch target for today any more

Yesterday people were saying the exact opposite

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I've been reading this game completely blind to mechanics and apparently Pine is very likely town given neighborhood shenanigans

Would someone like to explain

There were 3 in his PT and they all had the Ninja modifier. They both died overnight, and one was scum (Fish Monger) while the other was the claimed Town Parity Cop (kuribo), and it'd highly unlikely there were 2 scum Ninjas (or that the mod put a Parity Cop with 2 scums in a 3-person Neighnorhood)

[Vecna]

Oh I guess that was hammer

I don't think people should whine about reading role PMs carefully in general role PMs are boring or whatever

If you died as my town ally I'm upset you refused to perform an exercise that would help me discern your alignment, and next time it would help for you to have done it. My perceptions of the discrepancies in how you described the hood was always colored by an apparent avoidance of the topic, which suggested "miller/mafia" distinction was touchy for your slot, and it's scum-indicative for that to be touchy

Reading this post back now, before seeing night results, it sure sounds scummy af

[Day One Wagon]

Still, it's hard to believe in 2 town vigs. On upside, I trust you more that I did after RCE flip and you're not my main lynch target for today any more

Yesterday people were saying the exact opposite

I don't think people believed in 2 vigs at all and thought RCE was lying

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Town:

Marquis
Vecna
Bingle

Chandra
Gork/chennis
Day One Lynch

pops - maybe?
Pine - maybe?
Flavor - maybe?


Unsorted: ohfvz, Penguin, Croag, Kagami, JJD

Yes.. totally. Because the first thing a mod usually thinks of is "let's give scum a challenge here.. so let me make 3 townies unkillable and give them extra voting powers too". Sounds like something any sane mod would do.

OK, so you SR ofrhz. Please explain how your read there progressed from the start of the game to this minute. I understand it's too much work so I'll give you time to revisit and rehash your thoughts. How does 24 hours sound?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I really don't think Bingle is scum anymore.

I'd very much like to lunch o-guy, pls.
VOTE: ojrvz

Why?

I think you're flying under the radar as scum and ineffectual if town

Hmm that's probably fair

I got more into the game overnight, so I'll be more engaged today

VOTE: JJD

VOTE: ofrhz

Have it your way, You do know I wanted Bingle more than you in ANY case, right? Even if we did go with my plan I still had Bingle on the lynch line before you (and after myself), but you seem too desperate to save him you would rather be lynched in his stead.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I'm not very comfortable calling Flavor town, I'm starting to get the sense their righteous conviction is within their scumrange. Also the vig crossclaim with the other one presumably flipping exactly what he claimed :/

Let me ask you something: Who do you propose shot Fish Monger??

[popsofctown]

I'd prefer if Flavor Leaf claimed the Fish Monger shot explicitly instead of implicitly. And then at that point I think I'm pretty happy to treat him as conftown if it's not counterclaimed.

[popsofctown]

I have no understanding about how explaining my thought processes to Pelipper is scummy

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I have been reading -_- I just forgot about the reflexive RB ability being absorbed

You also forgot I said I'm PMing the mod to rescind my night action AND to switch accounts. Unless you want to claim when I said the mod turned me down I meant he also insisted that my night action submission stands.

I even told chen that was another proof you weren't reading in the PT, and you asked how that is, but it seems you still was asking for the sake of it since you didn't care to go back and find out yourself after the PT had been locked shortly after you asked.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I still think Ofhrz is town.

Also, my Marathon Game, using the Less Pressure setup, needs 3 more /in’s

Send me a link to see if I can fit in, time-wise