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[Luca Blight]

I think if Icon is lynched and flips Town then the game is close to being a lost cause, especially given the current state of affairs. The possible protective, if we Lynch Town!Icon is going to be of limited effect anyway, especially with the game state as it is with no-one really being universally townread. Presuming Icon is telling the truth, the mass claim could stop his Lynch and, depending on how the claims go, possibly ‘confirm’ another townie, and would leave us in much better stead to actually Lynch scum today, which I think is vital.

Datisi, who would you go for if not Icon?

[Datisi]

Klick/LUV/A50.

I was most willing to trust you and Tchill, but since you're starting to point fingers, I don't even know how I feel about that anymore.

I'm trying to think of ways that scum could benefit from a mass claim, in terms of claiming a PR. And it's making me wary, since Klick seems to be pushing a massclaim.

[Luca Blight]

It’s true that scum could fake claim, but it would be a risk to do so. If fake-claiming means Town!Icon is lynched today then they will come under fire tomorrow.

I have a strong feeling that Klick is Town. A50 would be the safest bet - he says he isn’t this passive as scum, but why would he be as Town? I can imagine scum taking such a stance as there is no ‘easy’ push, but Town should be trying to work out the game regardless.

[Luca Blight]

Also Klick was willing to be the one to begin the mass-claim - so he would have been at a disadvantage if he intended to fake-claim.

[Datisi]

I was about to type out that I don't see scum motivation in A50 TRing everyone, but he did jump onto that Icon wagon in under 5 minutes...

Well, all depends on what roles are claimed and who claims them I guess.

Another risk in keeping Icon alive is a possible Mafia RB. It could force a Town!Icon and another Town member into a 1v1 in LyLo...

pedit: not if Mafia's come up with a plan. They probably know approx how many PR's there are based on their own roles.

[Luca Blight]

If there were a Mafia RB (and presuming Icon is Town) then they would have blocked him N1, which I guess would explain why he is still alive. I believe, however, that if your action is blocked then you get a pm from the mod confirming this? Which Icon didn’t mention.

[Datisi]

You do not get a PM if you're Roleblocked. At least you do not in Newbie games (which is where the majority of my experience stems from), but I highly doubt it's different here.

[Luca Blight]

Ok, that’s interesting. That would be a pretty obvious explanation for why Town!Icon is still alive, then. This also pretty much devalues Icon’s role, because there’s no way of knowing if someone didn’t receive a message because they’re scum or because Icon was roleblocked.

I can understand the argument here that Icon’s position is almost untenable, but I can’t help but think he’s Town.

Datisi, forgetting Icon’s roleclaim etc, what is your gut feeling about him?

[Datisi]

Yeah, I've been toying with the idea of scum having a RB. I think it would make sense with a Town Loyal Mailman.

In the middle of Day 1, it was screaming scum. But at this point, so much of his ISO is muddied with talks about his claim that I can't tell anymore.

[Luca Blight]

If you knew I were Town, would it affect your read on Icon?

I can’t see why he would, as scum, go toe to toe with Alisae over their scumread of me and then, in apparent exasperation, fake-claim cop without himself being under any serious pressure of being lynched.

And it doesn’t feel like buddying or anything - he questioned and ‘sorted’ me in a way that felt genuine, and it felt like he was genuinely trying to sort you as well.

[Datisi]

If I knew you were Town, wouldn't mean your reads are correct. Besides, right now I'm sorta working under the assumption you are Town.

I couldn't see either Town or Scum motivation in claiming where he did, in fact I still don't see it.

I don't know. I've already said how the first time he started to question me felt off (but we've been over this already).

[Luca Blight]

Yeah, I could be wrong in my thinking which is why I wanted another perspective on that. The fact no-one else seems opposed to his Lynch right now also gets me.

In terms of Town motivation, I could imagine him making such a claim out of sheer annoyance, given how utterly annoying Alisae’s push was (I was close to quitting the game myself at one point) but clearly it was not the correct thing to do regardless of alignment.

[Klick]

And is it worth outing a possible (maybe only) protective for that?

Who do you go after if not Icon, Klick?

Yes? Outing potential protective roles really isn't that negative-EV a play. Especially with how uncertain it is that Icon gets killed even if he's town. And the fact that you've already claimed VT means scum already has a decent amount of info about where roles are if you're town.

As I've said before, I think scum is likely to be between Icon/Luca/A50. If Icon's out of the question, I'd start looking at the other two.

[Luca Blight]

Why not Tchill?

[Tchill13]

UNVOTE:

OK I'm down for mass claim. Klick is making sense.

@icon. Idc if you're VLA or not. You made a fucking terrible, anti town, selfish egotistical play just because Alisae was in the game.

Luca is never gonna stop pushing me. That's fine.

I'm just locking in icon/Luca/klick as town for the rest of this day phase.

Idc if I'm wrong anymore. That fear is the only thing keeping me from locking you 3 anyways.

I've never went back and forth in a single game on 2 slots like I have Luca and icon but my gut tells me they're town.

My head tells me they're extremely frustrating and I hope they're scum but that's almost never the case here.

Town are always more frustrating than scum.

I'd like A50 then LUV to be the first 2 claims.

[Tchill13]

Luca clearly did some weird shit d1 I don't think scum would do.

Icon clearly did some weird shit d1 I don't think scum would do.

FLIPPYNIPS clearly did some weird shit day one I don't think scum would do.

Let's just keep that ball rolling and see how far it goes I guess.

[Luca Blight]

I’m never gonna stop pushing you? You do say some odd things. I’ve made about two posts ‘pushing you’ all game.

My preferred claim order would be: A50, Tchill, Uzi, Klick, me

[Tchill13]

Uzi is going before me.

A50/uzi/you/me/klick would be my preferred order.

[Almost50]

VT here

[Datisi]

For what it's worth, I think LUV should go before Tchill

[Luca Blight]

I will agree to Uzi - Tchill - Luca - Klick

[Tchill13]

To turn this into a pissing contest or not...

Idk yet.

[Tchill13]

We could just lynch obv scum luv. Dude hasn't done a thing.

And Billy being hard tr is so weak it hurts.

[Luca Blight]

That’s a strange thing to come out with just before he’s about to claim.

[Tchill13]

You're next buddy.