Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

You're starting to sound like Mastina and I dunno anymore if you're scum or just bad and think you're good, but I'm strongly leaning the former because you know how my mind works more more than she does (you having not only played with me or modded me, but also reviewed a game for me and played in one I modded with a setup of my own). You're almost FL level knowing how I play/think

[Marquis]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I don't think pops or DOL's requests are unreasonable after the D1 mislynch, and everyone being "oh that silly Flavor Leaf, he does this all the time as town so guess we'll never know if he's fakeclaiming or not" WE MISLYNCHED A TOWN VIG BECAUSE OF THIS

[chennisden]

Ur not wrong marquis but im going to need to be sold on pops town before i do this

[Marquis]

FL did not shoot Fish. I have no idea why anyway would think that.

I was looking to see if his attitude would at all change through the first few pages of d2, now it just feels like scum trying to gloss over all the BS that happened

The lesson in fakegod setups is play conservatively and play mafia

The moment town stops playing mafia is the moment town loses

BTW if I wasn't already townreading Gork this post would have been a solid +++ for the slot

[Bingle]

There are 3+ vigs in the setup via information we have, btw, unless scum CPR doc protected Fish.

If doc hood collectively holstered, town CPR doc didn't act.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

And ftr: I will believe the Sun is actually a strong light bulb before I believe the mod decided to make 3 townies unkillable and give them extra voting powers. Thank you very much.

[Bingle]

You're starting to sound like Mastina

Thank you for the compliment, teacher.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Speaking of which, JJD, can we lynch you now and follow your plan tonight? Even if scum kills one of us, we have Pine now. For people wondering - JJD offered his life after we join Bingle's hood

You can lynch me, yes. I dunno about the plan though. It's already outed BEFORE it was executed, so use your better judgement.

[Chandra Nalaar]

This is true as a genera; aspect. However, we/I are/am not doing it blindly. I am considering powers too. Like, what do you think are the chances for a mod to put 0/1/2/3 unkillable scums in a 17-players setup?? What if you know there ARE 3 players that cannot be killed at night? OK, how about a 1-shot Doctor with unknown sanity? Would you be giving TWO scums those roles, given the other powers already outed?

I dont believe they are truly unkillable. Otherwise a lone scum would concede to two town bulletproofs.

Yes, I would be fine putting two scum in the doc hood. Especially if one of them were the CPR doctor.

[Bingle]

And ftr: I will believe the Sun is actually a strong light bulb before I believe the mod decided to make 3 townies unkillable and give them extra voting powers. Thank you very much.

This is setup salt trying to lynch the town players he can't answer.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I refuse to believe 2217 is a genuine post. You made that post to set me off.

VOTE: DOL

Screw you.

Mate, your play, responses and votes all seem most unnatural and impulsive at best. I won't call them fake, but I know you are capable of doing some analysis.

Impulsive, sure. I dont get where youd get unnatural from.

After sleeping a few more hours on that I was thinking I'd ask some players whose opinions I respect whether I'm overreacting and being self centered tired on this particular issue. I still think it's a blatant scumpost, but if the right people tell me to shut up, I will.

I did some analysis yesterday. I plan to do analysis today too.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Btw, we do need your hood to out reads on each other based on night conversations. We don't need to know details if you wish to keep them under wraps for now.

Kagami was mildly town. Whoever else is in my neighborhood was quiet.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Almost every wagon sucks ass and you should be ashamed

Didnt you just say you suspected pops and bingle?

And those aren't wagons

Bingle is voting pops and PP voting Bingle is probably the only good wagon here

I dont really understand this but ok

[Bingle]

Pops/JJD/ 1 of {ofhrz/croag/Kag/Chandra}

EZ game is EZ.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

Quoting for later

Time to bring this back: Why haven't you pushed ofrhz today? Why did you scum read her yesterday? What has changed?

[chennisden]

Bingle where is this confidence coming from

[chennisden]

You feel really different from Gay Dance

[chennisden]

Like, Gay Dance I was actively manipulating you to be confident in some solve that would win me the game

And here you're much more confident and you don't feel manipulated

Why the discrepancy Bingle

[Marquis]

My conclusions from D2 play and postings so far:

• Scum vig is still ridiculous and I hate anyone jumping through hoops to try and make the moonlogic work
  
• Flavor did not kill Fish, but is being purposefully unclear on the matter. He ignored Pops wanting a hard claim and used DOL asking to pivot onto a scumread there.
  
• Flavor as either alignment knows he has a reputation for fakeclaiming as town. I don't doubt Flavor as scum would take advantage of this to get an early mislynch on what he sees is an actual vig.
  
• a scum!Flavor gets to have the best of both worlds here, straddling the line between the idea that his town vig claim is legit in a game with 2 nightkills, and the idea that if he isn't really a vig he's just town trying to bait the scum kill
  
• There isn't a world in which we can let this continue as is unpunished, and getting this done now also clears up the gamestate while we're ahead

Alternatively, unless Flavor is somehow telling 100% truth (lol), we plead for the vig to shoot Flavor tonight, but I'm certain scum are expecting that and will be using whatever powers they have to make Flavor live whether he's town or scum. And considering Fish got vigged instead last night too.. idk man.

[Marquis]

Also if anyone can confirm I'm town please speak up before either of us die

[chennisden]

Good thing Fish got vigged tho.

[chennisden]

I cannot mechanically confirm u are town. so can I just call you obvtown and call it a day

[Chandra Nalaar]

After sleeping a few more hours on that I was thinking I'd ask some players whose opinions I respect whether I'm overreacting and being self centered tired on this particular issue. I still think it's a blatant scumpost, but if the right people tell me to shut up, I will.

@kagami @pops

[chennisden]

My conclusions from D2 play and postings so far:

• Scum vig is still ridiculous and I hate anyone jumping through hoops to try and make the moonlogic work
  
• Flavor did not kill Fish, but is being purposefully unclear on the matter. He ignored Pops wanting a hard claim and used DOL asking to pivot onto a scumread there.
  
• Flavor as either alignment knows he has a reputation for fakeclaiming as town. I don't doubt Flavor as scum would take advantage of this to get an early mislynch on what he sees is an actual vig.
  
• a scum!Flavor gets to have the best of both worlds here, straddling the line between the idea that his town vig claim is legit in a game with 2 nightkills, and the idea that if he isn't really a vig he's just town trying to bait the scum kill
  
• There isn't a world in which we can let this continue as is unpunished, and getting this done now also clears up the gamestate while we're ahead

Alternatively, unless Flavor is somehow telling 100% truth (lol), we plead for the vig to shoot Flavor tonight, but I'm certain scum are expecting that and will be using whatever powers they have to make Flavor live whether he's town or scum. And considering Fish got vigged instead last night too.. idk man.

• agreed
  
• then as a town let's collectively not tolerate his bullshit here
  
• yeah
  
• also, yeah
  
• Idk. Just because FL is hard to read doesn't mean we should just "lol idc" lynch him. there are better lynches

[Day One Wagon]

This is true as a genera; aspect. However, we/I are/am not doing it blindly. I am considering powers too. Like, what do you think are the chances for a mod to put 0/1/2/3 unkillable scums in a 17-players setup?? What if you know there ARE 3 players that cannot be killed at night? OK, how about a 1-shot Doctor with unknown sanity? Would you be giving TWO scums those roles, given the other powers already outed?

I dont believe they are truly unkillable. Otherwise a lone scum would concede to two town bulletproofs.

Yes, I would be fine putting two scum in the doc hood. Especially if one of them were the CPR doctor.

You're aware that we are 1-shot docs, right?