Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Chandra Nalaar]

This is true as a genera; aspect. However, we/I are/am not doing it blindly. I am considering powers too. Like, what do you think are the chances for a mod to put 0/1/2/3 unkillable scums in a 17-players setup?? What if you know there ARE 3 players that cannot be killed at night? OK, how about a 1-shot Doctor with unknown sanity? Would you be giving TWO scums those roles, given the other powers already outed?

I dont believe they are truly unkillable. Otherwise a lone scum would concede to two town bulletproofs.

Yes, I would be fine putting two scum in the doc hood. Especially if one of them were the CPR doctor.

You're aware that we are 1-shot docs, right?

Yes. So what? I dont understand.

[Day One Wagon]

This is true as a genera; aspect. However, we/I are/am not doing it blindly. I am considering powers too. Like, what do you think are the chances for a mod to put 0/1/2/3 unkillable scums in a 17-players setup?? What if you know there ARE 3 players that cannot be killed at night? OK, how about a 1-shot Doctor with unknown sanity? Would you be giving TWO scums those roles, given the other powers already outed?

I dont believe they are truly unkillable. Otherwise a lone scum would concede to two town bulletproofs.

Yes, I would be fine putting two scum in the doc hood. Especially if one of them were the CPR doctor.

You're aware that we are 1-shot docs, right?

Yes. So what? I dont understand.

You're guessing that scum knows their sanity then?

[Chandra Nalaar]

I could go either way on that and I am not sure how it is relevant.

[Marquis]

And ftr: I will believe the Sun is actually a strong light bulb before I believe the mod decided to make 3 townies unkillable and give them extra voting powers. Thank you very much.

This is setup salt trying to lynch the town players he can't answer.

I'm not sold 100% on JJD scum, I really do think he could be town focusing on the wrong thing


I'm more interested in whether Kagami and Flavor and the lurkers are town or scum motivated. Because while I've seen a lot from Kagami, and a lot that's surface level active and smart and helpful, it's still unclear to me if their posts are coming from a town mindset. For example chennis' posts do give off that vibe of town trying to solve the game, whereas even with all the helpful commentary and setup analysis, I'm not getting any sense of that from Kagami. It's all agreeable, sure, but it's only just that.

I'd very much like to focus on Flavor rn but for people wondering why Kagami's near the bottom of my list, there.


Whether Bingle has bamboozled both me and Vecna I think is irrelevant to the current gamestate. All 3 of us have fairly strong reasons to believe we're all town after Night 1 hood discussion. If you have a strong townread on either of me or Vecna that should really be enough for now until we have to revisit it. None of us are the play today.

[Day One Wagon]

I'm just trying to understand why you're valuing so high 1-shot doc for scum to give 2 of them

[Marquis]

My conclusions from D2 play and postings so far:

• Scum vig is still ridiculous and I hate anyone jumping through hoops to try and make the moonlogic work
  
• Flavor did not kill Fish, but is being purposefully unclear on the matter. He ignored Pops wanting a hard claim and used DOL asking to pivot onto a scumread there.
  
• Flavor as either alignment knows he has a reputation for fakeclaiming as town. I don't doubt Flavor as scum would take advantage of this to get an early mislynch on what he sees is an actual vig.
  
• a scum!Flavor gets to have the best of both worlds here, straddling the line between the idea that his town vig claim is legit in a game with 2 nightkills, and the idea that if he isn't really a vig he's just town trying to bait the scum kill
  
• There isn't a world in which we can let this continue as is unpunished, and getting this done now also clears up the gamestate while we're ahead

Alternatively, unless Flavor is somehow telling 100% truth (lol), we plead for the vig to shoot Flavor tonight, but I'm certain scum are expecting that and will be using whatever powers they have to make Flavor live whether he's town or scum. And considering Fish got vigged instead last night too.. idk man.

• agreed
  
• then as a town let's collectively not tolerate his bullshit here
  
• yeah
  
• also, yeah
  
• Idk. Just because FL is hard to read doesn't mean we should just "lol idc" lynch him. there are better lynches

To the last point - for value I disagree there are better lynches. I see everything else as shooting in the dark versus what we have from the vig counterclaim, vig mislynch, scum getting vigged, Flavor glossing over all the shit that just happened...
I don't trust town to not keep getting distracted by other shiny things, or me to come back to this later game after myself getting distracted by shiny things

[Marquis]

TOWN

Marquis
chennington
Vecna
Chandra
Day One Lynch
Bingle

ENOUGH TOWNISH VIBES TO NOT LYNCH

Pine
popsinctown

NULL TO NULLTOWN - CAN WAIT

PenguinPower
Judge Joseph Dredd

NEEDS TO BE SORTED/LYNCHED

ofrhz
Croag
Kagami
Flavor Leaf



re: "deepwolf" - my lists are never meant to be end-all be-all but rather where I think we'd get the most value focusing our Day 2 lynch on

[Chandra Nalaar]

VOTE: Marquis

No

too early for them to be BSing.

I hated this post when it happened and I see town points for marquis here now for much the same reasons.

Sorry, I should indicate that I am joking Gork

This seems more likely to be pointed at town

Can you just write one post where you put it all together including the other anti town stuff I don't really want to parse this

My marquis meta is hellaold, but this is, like, town.

This post transparently is a nonsensical one to town read. I like this for marquis too.

I wanted to talk more about caffeine because I think we all make good choices to just stay home.

Suggests 4 scum who would very much like the game to become mountainous over 3 who likely have strong powers? I may be overthinking this

Man I really think RCE is town

he is, and i appreciate your outspoken vocalization.

Hmm.

meh

thats stale. Im too burnt out to read tonight.

I think we lynch a miller, let the viggies shoot whoever, and the cop can cop me tonight and cop themselves tomorrow.

I was going to suggest this makes flavor town or scum have a way to protect him but

yea I 100 dont buy 2 viggles in a game like this, nor accept RCE counterclaiming vig from boon. sounds like one of those rash things I was mentioning.

This sorta threw a wrench in that for me

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm just trying to understand why you're valuing so high 1-shot doc for scum to give 2 of them

I'm not? If there are 4 scum, they dont need strong powers.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I do hate it when someone pushes a mislynch really hard and then acts like it didnt happen the next day but I've learned that unfortunately some people are like that

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Time for more moon!logic:

pops is scum. FL said he would be shooting FM. pops told her scum buddies and one is in our hood. They decided to protect their buddy. FL actually didn't shoot and the doctor turned out to be the CPR doctor. I dunno where Kagami's confidence FL didn't shoot FM fits here.

The main weakness of this theory is I don't SR pops anymore.

[Day One Wagon]

Bingle, I have question to you - does your multivote is tied to number of live vigs?

[Bingle]

I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

Quoting for later

Time to bring this back: Why haven't you pushed ofrhz today? Why did you scum read her yesterday? What has changed?

:thorface:

Reading comprehension is tech.

[chennisden]

I agree with your Kagami read marquis

[Bingle]

Bingle, I have question to you - does your multivote is tied to number of live vigs?

I have a decreasing number of votes. On day 4, my vote is normal.

[chennisden]

Bingle where is this confidence coming from

[Flavor Leaf]

No matter what happens, I do not get a 7-2 scum record this game so, do whatever.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bingle/JJD - the towns in you wanna look at their weak ass reasoning for scumFL?

It’s literally just “oh, he’d Do that as either alignment, he’s scum.”

[Bingle]

From the incredibly obvious scum motivation?

I don’t get the comparison to a game I was barely in with a completely different style where I was asleep during literally every lynch.

Have you tried comparing this to a different game where I was town? You know, one where I actually played the game?

[Flavor Leaf]

And people are acting like I was acting like the mislynch didn’t happen. I’m acting this way specifically because the mislynch happened. My entire view on this gamestate is BECAUSE Pelican was a mislynch.

Get outta here with your surface level playin.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, my entire focus is pulling from Pelican being a mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

Man I really think RCE is town

he is, and i appreciate your outspoken vocalization.

This gives Ordzhonikidze (my auto correct correct Ofhrz to this, so imma rep it there) town cred.

[chennisden]

what about that makes it NOT an easy read to have?

[Bingle]

Bingle/JJD - the towns in you wanna look at their weak ass reasoning for scumFL?

It’s literally just “oh, he’d Do that as either alignment, he’s scum.”

Dude, what are you smoking? I’m pretty sure marquis is the only one who doesn’t think you’re town and that comes across as policy to me anyway.

[popsofctown]

IT'S OVER JJD I LOST AS SCUM OK

This gives me pause though. This is genuine frustration, I think. pops probably thought (wrongfully) that I was pushing her today.

You said you wanted to join Flavor Leaf's Marathon

it was over when you asked, I had played in it, and I had lost as scum