Micro 887: the coaLITion [game over]

[Hectic]

Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

you mean information over analysis approach? it's page 1, not exactly a lot else to talk about

[Hectic]

huh, so much for that

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

Okay this feels like an overreaction

Same thing goes for you.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

weakest entrance thus far imo

Why

idk, he said hey and agreed with something

other people posted more contenty things i suppose

[Skygazer]

VC 1.01 Coalitions: Hectic (5): Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, Hectic, NC 39, Spangled Alchemist21 (5): Alchemist21, EspressoPatronum, Gamma Emerald, NC 39, RC most awesomest EspressoPatronum (1): EspressoPatronum RC most awesomest (0): Gamma Emerald (0): NC 39 (0): Clemency (0): Lil Uzi Vert (0): Spangled (0): Lynch: Lil Uzi Vert (1): Hectic Not Voting (8): RC most awesomest, Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum, NC 39, Clemency, Lil Uzi Vert, Spangled, Alchemist21 With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-08 18:00:00).

[Gamma Emerald]

Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

Okay this feels like an overreaction

Same thing goes for you.

Actually how though.
VOTE: LUV
Don't recall you being this defensive.

[EspressoPatronum]

HEAL: Alchemist, RC most awesomest, NC 39, Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum

That’s myself plus the 3 slots I believe to be the strongest slots coming into the game plus Espresso since I liked their entrance.

I think the Coalition should be the 5 strongest/Towniest players not just for the obvious reasons of the D1 wincon but also as a weak investigational tool if it fails - if the Coalition fails we know there’s a deep wolf in a group where we might not otherwise suspect scum to be.

is it considered a deep wolf if they're just in the top 5 town reads?

regarding the investigation potential, it is useful for knowing there's at least 1 scum in the group, i don't we can even be too confident that there can't be two scum in the 5 we agree on, so the utility isn't actually that useful

In the case of our coalition being wrong, we can be certain that at least 1 of the people not in the majority's coalition is town. That's probably more valuable than knowing 1 or 2 in 7 is scum.

[EspressoPatronum]

Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

What's wrong with approaching the coalition setup with a solve mindset?

[Hectic]

yeah, it's pretty interesting, i think scum wants exactly 1 scum in the group of 5, since if they both end up in it, it means they're more likely to be lynched since we're always gonna start lynching in the group of 5 once we know for sure that there's at least 1 scum in it

has town ever won by correctly selecting an all town coalition D1?

[Gamma Emerald]

has town ever won by correctly selecting an all town coalition D1?

No. I think they've gotten close in the past.

[RC most awesomest]

I think the Coalition should be the 5 strongest/Towniest players not just for the obvious reasons of the D1 wincon but also as a weak investigational tool if it fails - if the Coalition fails we know there’s a deep wolf in a group where we might not otherwise suspect scum to be.

my plan always has been and likely always will be to simply pass a coalition of the towniest players – reads above anything else. i fully intend to win day one and i don't believe that making any trade off for the contingency is worth giving up a higher probability of winning.

-nsg

[RC most awesomest]

Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

yeah, i agree.

this setup isn't exactly that new, really. there's not a lot in terms of mechanics that hasn't probably already been discussed.

-nsg

[RC most awesomest]

has town ever won by correctly selecting an all town coalition D1?

No. I think they've gotten close in the past.

wrong???

you were literally scum in the game that town won day one????

???

wiki link for the unaware – The Coalition

-nsg

[RC most awesomest]

HEAL: rc most awesomest

gonna chat with rc before doing anything else, but i'm townleaning luv. scummiest slot so far to me is probably espresso.

[Gamma Emerald]

has town ever won by correctly selecting an all town coalition D1?

No. I think they've gotten close in the past.

wrong???

you were literally scum in the game that town won day one????

???

wiki link for the unaware – The Coalition

-nsg

Then my memory fails me because I recall that not happening, though I do recall losing

[EspressoPatronum]

has town ever won by correctly selecting an all town coalition D1?

No. I think they've gotten close in the past.

wrong???

you were literally scum in the game that town won day one????

???

wiki link for the unaware – The Coalition

-nsg

has town ever won by correctly selecting an all town coalition D1?

No. I think they've gotten close in the past.

wrong???

you were literally scum in the game that town won day one????

???

wiki link for the unaware – The Coalition

-nsg

Then my memory fails me because I recall that not happening, though I do recall losing

For those wondering:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=77544

[EspressoPatronum]

I'm skimming through the above game now to see what they did right. A few points that stood out to me in the first few pages:
- they talk about past games and setup a fair bit.
- don't treat your coalition like your reads list. Be aggressive with adding and subtracting from it
- put readable people in your coalition, not necessarily the ppl who seem towny
- re the above - at least 1 of the 2 scum will be able to appear towny, so it's better to have easy to read ppl in your coalition.

I have to go for a while, but I plan on reading the rest of the game to see how it developed.

@NSG is there anything that town did in that game that stood out to you as being influential in the win?
@Gamma, if you get the time to reread some of the game to jog your memory, can you comment on anything you tried to do as scum that town was good at counteracting? What should we be watching out for that may be specific to coalition games?

[Gamma Emerald]

I do remember my strategy that game was to throw myself into the townblock as hard as I could, and the thing that ended me was painting myself into a corner. So probably force people to be clear on reads so they can't have much wiggle room.

[RC most awesomest]

exact overlap with nsg's reads at the time of her readslist, without commenting on whether I changed them after.

[Spangled]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

weakest entrance thus far imo

Dude, he did two things: greet the thread as he literally almost always does, and agreed with someone who disagreed with you... OMGUS, or just a lack of willingness to meta someone? A combination, perchance?

[Spangled]

Espresso feeling towniest so far from tone, but pretty sure that’s not hard on page 2.

[Spangled]

Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

Okay this feels like an overreaction

Same thing goes for you.

Actually how though.
VOTE: LUV
Don't recall you being this defensive.

Why is defensive scum-indicative, necessarily? Never actually had someone explain this to me.

[Spangled]

HEAL: Alchemist, RC most awesomest, NC 39, Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum

That’s myself plus the 3 slots I believe to be the strongest slots coming into the game plus Espresso since I liked their entrance.

I think the Coalition should be the 5 strongest/Towniest players not just for the obvious reasons of the D1 wincon but also as a weak investigational tool if it fails - if the Coalition fails we know there’s a deep wolf in a group where we might not otherwise suspect scum to be.

is it considered a deep wolf if they're just in the top 5 town reads?

I would think so. Scum just need three mislynches to win, and can kill off others in the top 5.

[Spangled]

HEAL: Alchemist, RC most awesomest, NC 39, Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum

That’s myself plus the 3 slots I believe to be the strongest slots coming into the game plus Espresso since I liked their entrance.

I think the Coalition should be the 5 strongest/Towniest players not just for the obvious reasons of the D1 wincon but also as a weak investigational tool if it fails - if the Coalition fails we know there’s a deep wolf in a group where we might not otherwise suspect scum to be.

Can we do the ‘try and win by Coalition’ thing first, and

then

the ‘use-information-on-a-fail’ thing afterwards,

if

we fail, not just the ‘let’s-find-out-if-there’s-a-deepwolf’ thing straight up?

[Skygazer]

OH FUCK HERE COMES MY FIRST PAGETOP