Micro 887: the coaLITion [game over]

[EspressoPatronum]

RC's intro reads like an excuse for him to not play his usual town game. I'm not familiar with RC's scum game, but from the games I've played with + seen him in, he usually plays aggressive town.

I'd like some more information from @nsg. Specifically, why do you think I'm scum + what is your answer to my question about the past game.

[EspressoPatronum]

am i late to the party?

Oh woa, I didn't realize you were in this game.

why am i not in everyone's town buckets, smh

Drop some Clemency insights and I'll think about it, haha.

[Clemency]

am i late to the party?

Oh woa, I didn't realize you were in this game.

i have to be, otherwise this player list would be way too tense

[EspressoPatronum]

Cool, this has finally started. I was in Skitter’s game and we actually won on D1, only to have RAS cheat us out of a much deserved win.

How did you get cheated out of the win?

Can you share with us some of the things town did well in that game that we can implement in this game?

[Clemency]

i'm usually too on edge when i'm scum so i cant spam posts like i usually do
its almost like a trust tell at this point i really need to work on it

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

Okay this feels like an overreaction

Same thing goes for you.

Actually how though.
VOTE: LUV
Don't recall you being this defensive.

I’m not sure if you’re misrepresenting me. Where am I anxious to challenge or avoid criticism?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

What's wrong with approaching the coalition setup with a solve mindset?

It doesn’t help in the long run.

[Spangled]

this looks like fun

HEAL: Hectic, NC 39, Spangled, Alchemist, Espresso

VOTE: RC most awesomest

i can provide a few walls later if people doubt these reads

can I, without giving a long winded explanation of why these kinds of posts even made ironically throw me off and make me dislike the game, ask everyone who wants to win as town to not do this

A-fucking-men!

this is pretty yuck.

What about it?

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

weakest entrance thus far imo

Dude, he did two things: greet the thread as he literally almost always does, and agreed with someone who disagreed with you... OMGUS, or just a lack of willingness to meta someone? A combination, perchance?

him greeting the thread in null. Why do you feel like sticking up for the guy?

Aye, ‘tis null. Exactly. But Hectic, to me, was making out that it was scummy... and I disagreed... and told him so...
I imagine you try and call people out on things you disagree with — I like to do that too.

[Spangled]

so since i like Espresso and

Spangled

so far:

y?


HEAL: NC 39

HURT: Spangeled

Making a nice and pointed statement there.

@Gamma
Was people adding themselves to their own coalitions helpful and/or useful in that D1 town-win game?

[Spangled]

i'm usually too on edge when i'm scum so i cant spam posts like i usually do
its almost like a trust tell at this point i really need to work on it

Was this supposed to go in the scum PT, or

[Hectic]

I find it a bit strange that Hectic is being so normal this game. His town play usually has a chaotic posting + formatting style and he likes to fake claim random stuff.

Either he's getting tired of a 'hectic' playstyle, or this is his scum game. I think it's the latter.

lul, i had a feeling this was gonna come up at some point

i kinda like to go for slightly different playstyles each game, this is gonna be the game i take seriously and don't meme in

[Clemency]

i'm usually too on edge when i'm scum so i cant spam posts like i usually do
its almost like a trust tell at this point i really need to work on it

Was this supposed to go in the scum PT, or

that's assuming i remember what my alignment is in this game

[EspressoPatronum]

Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

What's wrong with approaching the coalition setup with a solve mindset?

It doesn’t help in the long run.

The long run of D1 for the coalition, or the long run of the game as a whole?

Why doesn't it help in the long run?

[Gamma Emerald]

Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

Okay this feels like an overreaction

Same thing goes for you.

Actually how though.
VOTE: LUV
Don't recall you being this defensive.

I’m not sure if you’re misrepresenting me. Where am I anxious to challenge or avoid criticism?

You're anxious to challenge because you blindly snapped back by calling my call-out of you an overreaction.

[Gamma Emerald]

so since i like Espresso and

Spangled

so far:

y?


HEAL: NC 39

HURT: Spangeled

Making a nice and pointed statement there.

@Gamma
Was people adding themselves to their own coalitions helpful and/or useful in that D1 town-win game?

Yes.

[RC most awesomest]

EP why do you as town think that going out of your way to tilt me to get maybe 2% win equity if I'm scum is worth sacrificing a massive amount of win equity if I'm town?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

Okay this feels like an overreaction

Same thing goes for you.

Actually how though.
VOTE: LUV
Don't recall you being this defensive.

I’m not sure if you’re misrepresenting me. Where am I anxious to challenge or avoid criticism?

You're anxious to challenge because you blindly snapped back by calling my call-out of you an overreaction.

What? When did I call anything you said or did an overreaction?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think it was obvious I was asking for you to try to play the game as well and not focus so heavily on the setup.

[Gamma Emerald]

I wasn't even really focusing on the setup yet when you posted that. I just said I agreed with Alchemist's approach. Still think your response was defensive given that info btw.

[RC most awesomest]

why do you suspect RCMA, Gamma? i thought his reaction to my heal vote was a little over the top, but i've never played with him before so i'm not sure

NSG seems a little I'd say overzealous, in a not genuine way. Trying too hard is probably the best way to put it.

mind elaborating? i find it a bit hard to imagine that the posts i've made so far could come across that way, so i'm interested to hear how you got that vibe.

were RCMA's first two posts from NSG or RC?

in general i try to sign my posts, so you should know when it's me.

RC's intro reads like an excuse for him to not play his usual town game. I'm not familiar with RC's scum game, but from the games I've played with + seen him in, he usually plays aggressive town.

I'd like some more information from @nsg. Specifically, why do you think I'm scum + what is your answer to my question about the past game.

i don't think rc is the kind of person who needs an excuse when he's playing scum.

i said that i scumleaned you because i felt like your posts were somewhat contentless and reminded me of a classic scum tactic of just talking about mechanics in an attempt to make it look like you're solving the game. specifically, the "what's the optimal approach" and other statements like that. i've entered threads the exact same way before as scum, and i've seen others do it not infrequently.

keeping in mind that i've both moderated this setup and played in it – i would say that town has won before by actually just putting towny players in the coalition. sounds simple, but goes against the third point that you noticed of winning by putting readable people rather than towny people – the dark wanderer, skitter, the worst and irrelephant as a collective probably rank among the top scum players on the site, and yet they (along with myself) made up the winning coalition. i really don't think there are any "tricks" or something along that line. i think focusing

too much

on the mechanic takes is a distraction – figure out your reads, update your coalition accordingly, and try to come to a consensus. that's about the best advice i can give to win the game.

-nsg

[RC most awesomest]

HEAL: spangled

-nsg

[RC most awesomest]

nancy, clem, where are youuuuuuuu

-nsg

[EspressoPatronum]

EP why do you as town think that going out of your way to tilt me to get maybe 2% win equity if I'm scum is worth sacrificing a massive amount of win equity if I'm town?

First of all, it's not my job to appease you. Second, I'm saying you're behaving differently than the RC I have played with and observed through reading other games.

I also fail to see why you think I'm trying to tilt you by scumreading you + not putting you in my coalition. It's part of the game.

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RC's intro reads like an excuse for him to not play his usual town game. I'm not familiar with RC's scum game, but from the games I've played with + seen him in, he usually plays aggressive town.

I'd like some more information from @nsg. Specifically, why do you think I'm scum + what is your answer to my question about the past game.

i don't think rc is the kind of person who needs an excuse when he's playing scum.

I have no doubt in RC's abilities, but I've seen this method used a few times by experienced players. Nobody is above it.

i said that i scumleaned you because i felt like your posts were somewhat contentless and reminded me of a classic scum tactic of just talking about mechanics in an attempt to make it look like you're solving the game. specifically, the "what's the optimal approach" and other statements like that. i've entered threads the exact same way before as scum, and i've seen others do it not infrequently.

That's a fair observation on a mechanics-driven entrance, and I'll keep that in mind when I roll scum some day (still 0 scum games on forum).

That being said, in a short read of my meta, you'll see I like to look at mechanics early, especially in games that are not a normal setup. In the Purge game, for example, I was all about mechanics. While that game was more mechanical than this game, I think there is/was worthwhile discussion on the coalition mechanic.

Ignoring the discussion because you and a few others have already played the setup is a disservice to town as a whole. I take your point below, however, that it's important to not get hung up on the mechanics.

keeping in mind that i've both moderated this setup and played in it – i would say that town has won before by actually just putting towny players in the coalition. sounds simple, but goes against the third point that you noticed of winning by putting readable people rather than towny people – the dark wanderer, skitter, the worst and irrelephant as a collective probably rank among the top scum players on the site, and yet they (along with myself) made up the winning coalition. i really don't think there are any "tricks" or something along that line. i think focusing

too much

on the mechanic takes is a distraction – figure out your reads, update your coalition accordingly, and try to come to a consensus. that's about the best advice i can give to win the game.

-nsg

Thanks for this.

No lunch was advocating for putting readable ppl in the coalition over townreads, but she slowly changes her stance over the next 10 pages of Micro 829. While I haven't finished reading it through yet, I wouldn't be surprised to see everyone coming around to putting towny ppl in the coalition over readable ppl.

Can you link the game you're talking about in which you were town + won?

[RC most awesomest]

fair point on people who haven't played this setup before

here's the one i was referring to

-nsg

[EspressoPatronum]

fair point on people who haven't played this setup before

here's the one i was referring to

-nsg

Thanks! I'll take a look at this one once I finish up with the other one.