Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Chandra Nalaar]

It doesn't matter, if Pine is addicted or not. Point is, if Chandra thinks Pine is town, why not say that?

i don't think pine is town

i was pointing out an obvious flaw in your logic

Are you...are you fucking kidding me?

Kuribo and I nailed the flipped scum in our 3-man Hood. Pull your head out of your ass

For the record (again), I holstered last night but have no reason to do so anymore. Using my ability is straightforwardly beneficial at this stage

ftr i didn't mean i super scumread you either, but i happily stand by this.

first of all, none of us have any evidence those events unfolded as you say.

more importantly, you haven't done anything remotely town that i could actually see.

[Pine]

Pine please don't call me a fucker

I wasn’t, as you aren’t acting like one. In fact, I quickly ISO’d you to make sure of that fact, and ran across this:

@Pine:

Fullclaim in your neighborhood tonight, including any whatever details you might omit in the dayplay because you think it's scumsided to present them while you're alive.
When all players in a neighborhood are dead, the neighborhood becomes public, so this lets us counteract the role-janitor element of this setup.

This is a really outstanding suggestion, and I didn’t think of it. It will definitely be done.

[Pine]

@Chandra you have evidence that I was in a 3-man Hood with Fish Monger and kuribo, all of us with Ninja modifiers, which we mutually confirmed D1.

You then have a scumflip and a Townflip from that three-person set

Are you actually suggesting a 2:1 scum:Town neighborhood, and further that two Mafia members were Ninjas?

Stop acting like a fucker

[Chandra Nalaar]

@Chandra you have evidence that I was in a 3-man Hood with Fish Monger and kuribo, all of us with Ninja modifiers, which we mutually confirmed D1.

You then have a scumflip and a Townflip from that three-person set

Are you actually suggesting a 2:1 scum:Town neighborhood, and further that two Mafia members were Ninjas?

If you've read any of my posts this game, which I'm sure you probably haven't, you should know that I do not give a flying fuck who is in what neighborhood as far as the setup goes, and that I never will in any setup for the rest of time.

[Pine]

Good for you. You’re stubborn enough to stick to your guns, but experienced enough to know better. I respect that, even if it’s making act like a horse’s ass right now.

Okay, this game has my attention.

Chandra. You’re old enough to remember when a lurker lynch was considered a solidly Towny thing, right? Fucking wrong. Since the rise of daytalk as a ubiquitous feature, lurker lynches have fallen from +EV to probably scum motivated. Scum have too many tools to support a struggling member for it to be useful. We have to unlearn the habit.

That brings me to this example - I should be mechanically soft-cleared, but because I have been bored and disinterested, I’m seen as vulnerable - an opportunity. Opportunism is a core scum tactic.

In your case, your pigheadedness is probably Town. Some of the others, though? Taking a pot shot. Marquis, for example, knows that he was my only real scumread D1.

[Pine]

Right then.

I’m engaging.

Someone explain to me the claims that have been put out, particularly the “unkillable hood” and the Doctor situation mentioned a page or so ago.

[Vecna]

It doesn't matter, if Pine is addicted or not. Point is, if Chandra thinks Pine is town, why not say that?

i don't think pine is town

i was pointing out an obvious flaw in your logic

Are you...are you fucking kidding me?

Kuribo and I nailed the flipped scum in our 3-man Hood. Pull your head out of your ass

For the record (again), I holstered last night but have no reason to do so anymore. Using my ability is straightforwardly beneficial at this stage

Kuribo nailed him way way before the night phase.

You trying to get credit for this sounds hella scummy

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Slap me

Contact AP in private.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

What's this with people nailing other people?

Spoiler:

[Pine]

I’m back on page 5, but I skimmed 15 and 16 because of Pops’ righteous annoyance at massclaim

I’ll dial in on Fishmonger tonight. This would be the third three-man Neighborhood I’ve been in within three months where the scum in it was nailed D1, but I need to read and can’t yet. 1-3 hours, depends on how the baby goes down

I was on Fish Monger D1 too, Vecna. I wasn’t certain of it until we discussed it in more detail in the PT.

Regardless, I’m not looking for “credit,” kuribo did the heavy lifting. I mostly said “yeah that makes sense I’ll back you.” My position is that a 2:1 Ninja neighborhood is fucking insane, and you’re smart enough to know it.

Now. You people are saying I’m suspicious for not engaging or doing much of anything? Fine. You’ve got me pissed, and I’m righteously active now.

Answer my questions so I can get up to speed on claims.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Chandra. You’re old enough to remember when a lurker lynch was considered a solidly Towny thing, right? Fucking wrong. Since the rise of daytalk as a ubiquitous feature, lurker lynches have fallen from +EV to probably scum motivated. Scum have too many tools to support a struggling member for it to be useful. We have to unlearn the habit.

Fair enough. But, whart solution would you suggest to combat lurking scum? At some point, we have to enforce post or die because the alternative is just crossing your fingers.
Day 2 in a 17-player game, yeah, it's not a priority.

That brings me to this example - I should be mechanically soft-cleared, but because I have been bored and disinterested, I’m seen as vulnerable - an opportunity. Opportunism is a core scum tactic.

In your case, your pigheadedness is probably Town. Some of the others, though? Taking a pot shot. Marquis, for example, knows that he was my only real scumread D1.

Feel free to pursue, then. I've been liking Marquis, but there is a reason replacements sometimes break games open for town by not caring about the town-sounding posts scum put out early. And they usually get lazy.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Also, worth noting - Fish flipped Ninja Watcher. Maybe you have a role, Pine, that cares about Ninjas, or maybe kuribo did, but other than that, we don't seem to have an excess of town watchers or trackers, yeah?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Answer my questions so I can get up to speed on claims.

Not sure I understand, but I get the feeling you want a list if claims?? If so..

A50+Chenn+odrhz+D1L are a 1-shot Doctors hood. Only

we do not know our sanities

. Only one of us is a Normal Sane Doctor. Another is a CPR Doctor. A third one is Paranoid, and the fourth is Naive.

You already know about the Reflexive Roleblockers: Vecna+Bingle+Marquis.

Pops & FL are the Millers (Pelicam was their third)

Then PP+Croag+Kagami+Chandra are in a hood of unclaimed abilities

And then there's you.

And you need to tell me if you would support a lynch on me today or not, please.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Right then.

I’m engaging.

Someone explain to me the claims that have been put out, particularly the “unkillable hood” and the Doctor situation mentioned a page or so ago.

chandra/croag/kagami/penguin- unclaimed hood
ofrhz/jjd/d1L/chen i think- one-shot doctors of unknown sanity
FL/pops/rip pelican- hood with several vigs in it? not sure exactly what's going on here
Bingle/Marquis/Vecna- possibly unkillable dudes who say bad stuff happens to anyone that targets them
Pine/kuribo/rip fish- ninjas or something

pedit dammit i'm posting it anyway because i did work

[Chandra Nalaar]

o yeah i keep forgetting who is and who isn't a miller

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Fish flipped Ninja Watcher.

Show me where that was said. I now believe this is a scumslip of the TMI type. HOW do you know Fish was a Watcher??

[popsofctown]

Also, worth noting - Fish flipped Ninja Watcher.

Uh, yeah, wtf?

If there's no explanation for this you're the lynch today.

[ofrhz]

Chews on popcorn

[Pine]

Well, JJD, kuribo hard scumread you, so I don’t see why I shouldn’t trust him until I decide for myself.

Why do you give a shit? It seems unlikely to happen with you aggressively intimidating everyone away from voting for you.

I didn’t know about the Reflexive Roleblockers, actually, but now I know who to ISO and search for details.

I don’t see you listed. PE: Got it, JJD=A50. Useful meta.

[popsofctown]

Chews on popcorn

orfhz if you're not going to do alignment indicative things please at a minimum go to the effort of getting that gif where Michael Jackson is eating popcorn.

[ofrhz]

But I’m phoneposting

The sentiment is there

[Pine]

Also, worth noting - Fish flipped Ninja Watcher.

Uh, yeah, wtf?

If there's no explanation for this you're the lynch today.

Yeah, this is 100% not publicly known. He didn’t mention it in the Neighborhood, either, and I didn’t mention that I was a Tracker for symmetry until this post.

That’s a grade A scumslip.

VOTE: Chandra

Pity, too. I was mostly convinced that Chandra was innocent.

[popsofctown]

Yeah I can't even think of a possible excuse, I don't see a crumb or claim in Fish's last posts.

VOTE: Chandra

No lolhammers though I drew a picture I wanna show you guys.

[popsofctown]

But I’m phoneposting

The sentiment is there

Can you promise me you visualized the gif

[ofrhz]

But I’m phoneposting

The sentiment is there

Can you promise me you visualized the gif

Yes

I usually just say “popcorn gif”

I’ll be sure to stick to that next time